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Nov 12, 2015 7:26 AM CST
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Ontario, Canada (Zone 5a)
I started some seeds indoors. They are growing under t5 lights. They started great, but now a couple of them, their leaves have turned yellow and started wilting. Am I doing something wrong?
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Nov 12, 2015 8:03 AM CST
Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4b)
Annuals Native Plants and Wildflowers Keeps Horses Dog Lover Daylilies Region: Canadian
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First things to check out are whether you've watered too much (or too little but overwatering is more common), or given too much fertilizer. If it's none of the above then damping off could be a possibility although that can also be encouraged by overwatering.

Is there any pattern, i.e. are the sick ones close to each other or far apart?
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Nov 12, 2015 8:13 AM CST
Thread OP
Ontario, Canada (Zone 5a)
I water from letting them soak up the water rather than from above. Havnt fertilized yet. Been waiting to see the peat moss start to turn light color before watering.
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Nov 12, 2015 8:18 AM CST
Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4b)
Annuals Native Plants and Wildflowers Keeps Horses Dog Lover Daylilies Region: Canadian
Butterflies Birds Enjoys or suffers cold winters Garden Sages Plant Identifier
Can you post a picture of the affected seedlings? Or, failing that, how tall are they (how long since germination), and when they wilt is it the whole seedling from the base? The pattern question (adjacent or widely spaced) would give a clue to the cause also.
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Nov 12, 2015 8:24 AM CST
Thread OP
Ontario, Canada (Zone 5a)
I guess around a couple weeks since sprouting. No real pattern to affected plants.
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Nov 12, 2015 8:36 AM CST
Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4b)
Annuals Native Plants and Wildflowers Keeps Horses Dog Lover Daylilies Region: Canadian
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Is it plain peat moss that they're growing in, or a peat based seed starting mix?
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Nov 12, 2015 8:37 AM CST
Thread OP
Ontario, Canada (Zone 5a)
Plain
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Nov 12, 2015 9:05 AM CST
Thread OP
Ontario, Canada (Zone 5a)
They need to be fertilized don't they
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Nov 12, 2015 10:05 AM CST
Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4b)
Annuals Native Plants and Wildflowers Keeps Horses Dog Lover Daylilies Region: Canadian
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Yes, but they're so young I'm not sure that's the problem, they should still be living on the stored food in the seed. Also it wouldn't cause wilting, although I'm not sure that they are wilting as opposed to the outer leaves declining (based on the picture it looks like there is an emerging new leaf that looks normal).

Usually peat moss is just part of the mix for seed starting, along with other components such as perlite or vermiculite to add more structure and maybe improve drainage/aeration depending on the texture of the peat.

Peat moss also has problems being wetted (which is why commercial peat-based media often contains a "wetting agent" ). It can happen that the top of the media dries out after wetting but at root depth it is still soggy, so you could check that out.

If it's Canadian sphagnum peat moss it will be quite acidic, normally dolomitic limestone would be added but I'm not at all sure that would be a problem for plants this young and in containers).

Peat moss does have little fertility of its own so you will ultimately have to start fertilizing but my guess is the yellowing has more to do with water or aeration. Can you check that pot with the unhappy seedling to see if it is dry or wet lower down?
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Nov 12, 2015 10:11 AM CST
Thread OP
Ontario, Canada (Zone 5a)
I have a water meter I could put down in it and see
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Nov 12, 2015 10:19 AM CST
Thread OP
Ontario, Canada (Zone 5a)
It says it's damp but not wet
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Nov 12, 2015 10:22 AM CST
Thread OP
Ontario, Canada (Zone 5a)
Would they survive a transplant to better soil or too young
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Nov 12, 2015 10:32 AM CST
Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4b)
Annuals Native Plants and Wildflowers Keeps Horses Dog Lover Daylilies Region: Canadian
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They should survive a transplant, especially if you're careful with the roots. Maybe just do a few in case those are the only two with a problem, and keep an eye on the others. If no others start to yellow then it may just be an individual seedling thing. How many hours a day are the lights on?
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Nov 12, 2015 10:33 AM CST
Thread OP
Ontario, Canada (Zone 5a)
15 which may be too much
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Nov 12, 2015 10:39 AM CST
Name: Maurice
Grey Highlands, Ontario (Zone 5a)
I would not expect 15 hours of fluorescent light to be too much light. I had daylilies growing under 24 hours of incandescent light last winter with no problems.
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Nov 12, 2015 10:52 AM CST
Thread OP
Ontario, Canada (Zone 5a)
Would an indoor potting mix be ok if I can't find any seed starting mix?
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Nov 12, 2015 11:03 AM CST
Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4b)
Annuals Native Plants and Wildflowers Keeps Horses Dog Lover Daylilies Region: Canadian
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I agree with Maurice, 15 hours isn't too much. How close are the lights to the tops of the plants?

A good quality indoor potting/growing mix should be OK since the seedlings are already up and running. It will likely contain fertilizer so you won't need to fertilize for a few weeks (it may say on the label how long they expect the incorporated fertilizer to last).
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Nov 12, 2015 11:05 AM CST
Thread OP
Ontario, Canada (Zone 5a)
About 2 inches from the tops
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Nov 12, 2015 11:10 AM CST
Name: Gerry Donahue
Pleasant Lake, IN (Zone 5b)
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I have some seedlings under light 24/7. I also have germinated seeds on heat mats while under light 24/7.

I have also germinated seeds in the fall on a windowsill with no additional light or heat. They do take a little longer to germinate.

There are more variables that I will try this fall.
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Nov 12, 2015 12:02 PM CST
Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4b)
Annuals Native Plants and Wildflowers Keeps Horses Dog Lover Daylilies Region: Canadian
Butterflies Birds Enjoys or suffers cold winters Garden Sages Plant Identifier
gargoyl52 said:About 2 inches from the tops


I assume it doesn't feel uncomfortably warm when you put your hand under the lights?

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