Post a reply

Image
Feb 15, 2015 6:48 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Terese
Central Florida, (Zone 9b)
Wisconsin Dells Area, zone4
Bee Lover Butterflies Cat Lover Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
I'm a recent transplant and DH and I just expanded my flower beds.

I'm looking to add plants for attracting wildlife. Drought tolerant would be a bonus, and part shade.

What are some plants that you've had success with in attracting hummers and butterflies?

I do have some Bronze fennel seedlings I started a few months back and a bunch of salvias and agastaches. My Asclepias have not germinated yet.
Terese --Leesburg, FL & Lake Delton, Wi

Image
Feb 25, 2015 6:51 PM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
Garden Sages Region: Ukraine Native Plants and Wildflowers Xeriscape Organic Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Garden Ideas: Master Level Butterflies Charter ATP Member Plant Identifier Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Dog Lover


Any of the Gaillardia
http://garden.org/plants/searc...

Salvias:
http://garden.org/plants/searc...



Any of the Rudbeckias
Black Eyed Susans (Rudbeckia)

Coneflowers
http://garden.org/plants/searc...

Monarda
http://garden.org/plants/searc...

Passion vine
http://garden.org/plants/searc...

@mellielong Melanie will be able to give you a list of natives sure to be nectar & host plants for butterflies.


Here's a link for native plants
http://floridayards.org/fyplan...

I just want to caution you it's best to get any plants from a native plant nursery rather than the big box stores. WalMart, HD & Lowe's have all been found to have plants that had been treated with neonicotinoids which are known to kill pollinators & the substance stays in the plants for years.
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others. ~~ Sharon Brown
Image
Feb 25, 2015 7:55 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Terese
Central Florida, (Zone 9b)
Wisconsin Dells Area, zone4
Bee Lover Butterflies Cat Lover Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
thank you so much for those lists....

crap -- I just shopped today at HD and wallyworld... I wonder if they would take the plants back. ~~ Maybe I'll call tomorrow.
I bought a firebush, pentas, petunias, alyssium, Zinnias, and another shrub i can't think of the name, but has red blooms.

many of the plants you listed above, I do have seeds for. [I have hundreds of Blackberry Lily seeds & Gaillardia]
I had heard from a neighbor [she's a transplant from OH 16 yrs ago] ~ she commented that many of the perennials that do so well up north [Echinies and Monarda] do not live long down here due to the long growing season.
Terese --Leesburg, FL & Lake Delton, Wi

Image
Feb 25, 2015 8:12 PM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
Garden Sages Region: Ukraine Native Plants and Wildflowers Xeriscape Organic Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Garden Ideas: Master Level Butterflies Charter ATP Member Plant Identifier Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Dog Lover
See if they will take them back. I bet they will. The coneflowers are tricky. As I understand it they will do best when grown in a container for about 2 years & get then REALLY good & established. I think the other problem is people try to put them in full sun & in Florida full sun is killer to many plants even those that say full sun. Out full sun is 12 hours a day here in the height of summer so basically everything needs some shade here. I have 1 that keeps coming back for me so now I'm trying leaving them in pots for 2 years first. The monarda ....... I sowed some seeds last year right in the ground to do a wildflower area -- totally natural & they came up, grew well, bloomed with no care from me -- they do get some shade but not a ton. This is the one I sowed seeds of:
Lemon Mint (Monarda citriodora 'Lambada')

I have some red ones that are going gangbusters in pots but they have not yet been through the hell of a Fl. summer. Hilarious! I will see just how they hold up --- I think they are going to ultimately go in an area where there is more shade available for them & I can get to them to water more often.

Zinnias do great from seed & they bloom later in the season when everything else has been beat up by the heat --- zinnias just LOVE it & the pollinators just LOVE zinnias too.

Believe it or not I have a Gaillardia that popped up in a big pot late fall & it still lives! And has bloomed through frosts & freezes -- it's crazy. If you space out the seed sowing on them you can have then going year round.
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others. ~~ Sharon Brown
Image
Feb 26, 2015 6:15 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Terese
Central Florida, (Zone 9b)
Wisconsin Dells Area, zone4
Bee Lover Butterflies Cat Lover Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
I have some of the larger Zinns that I started from seed, Oklahoma and Giant Cactus I believe... have a few seedlings that are putting out their second set of leaves. My Gaillardias have not germinated yet, I have 2 kinds. Red Plume and the standard red/yellow ones I snagged from my neighbor when the seed heads were dry.

I also have Pot Marigolds [Calendula] that have set out second set of leaves and a bunch of hybrid marigolds that were yellow. ~ It was a plant I grew from seed last year and when I moved I dug up the plant, there were 2 but one died in a cold snap ... but I took the spend seed head and sprinkled the seeds and most germinated within a few days... so I will have A LOT of yellow marigolds -- will be giving them to neighbors.

Other seeds that have germinated...
Coreopsis Early Sunrise - one of my favorite "bright" plants from up north, a bunch of Scarlet Milkweeds, the common MW have not germinated yet
and a bunch of herbs... I like to grow herbs for the Cats and butterflies. No having much luck with morning glories as the bunnies keep eating the seedlings... guess I'll live without them.

I have some plants at home still [we have not sold our IL house yet] so I'm hoping this May I can dig and pot up some of my favorites, then when I come back in Sept/Oct bring them with me.
Terese --Leesburg, FL & Lake Delton, Wi

Image
Feb 26, 2015 6:35 AM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
Garden Sages Region: Ukraine Native Plants and Wildflowers Xeriscape Organic Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Garden Ideas: Master Level Butterflies Charter ATP Member Plant Identifier Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Dog Lover
You've got a good start. The coreopsis will be a favorite. Borage is a good one to plant too. The bees adore it & it's an herb as well. I understand the blooms are delicious to eat while walking around the garden.
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others. ~~ Sharon Brown
Image
Feb 26, 2015 9:55 AM CST
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
Butterflies Enjoys or suffers hot summers Hummingbirder Birds Bee Lover Bookworm
Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
Ooh, I got tagged! I'm it!

Let's see, we've already named some good ones. Blanket flowers are awesome for bees and butterflies. Passion vine is a must have if you want Gulf Fritillaries and Zebra Longwings. However, I will add that Zebra Longwings tend to prefer the native varieties like P. suberosa and P. lutea. Do not buy the red, tropical Passion vine as it will kill the caterpillars. Stick with blue or purple varieties. I like Rue because it hosts both the Giant Swallowtail and the Black Swallowtail so I get double the value. Last year I planted a Purple Firespike because the one at USF Botanical Gardens is like crack for butterflies. It just started blooming a few weeks ago so I'm going to see how it does. Mexican Flame Vine and Mexican Sunflowers (dwarf variety like "Torch" or my favorite, "Goldfinger") are both great. Oh, and firebush is great for hummingbirds, Zebra Longwings, and Sulphurs. I think Sulphurs tend to prefer red flowers, in my experience.

If you grow Pipevine, stick with the natives and not the tropicals. I'm growing Wooly Pipevine and it's kind of a slow grower compared to the tropicals. However, we get both the Pipevine ST and the Polydamas ST in Florida. Polydamas can eat pretty much any pipevine, but the tropical varieties will kill the Pipevine ST cats. I have this theory about the level of toxicity in the plants.

Jatropha is a good nectar plant, especially for the Zebra Longwings. Pentas attract pretty much everyone but I recommend buying red, purple, or pink varieties. If you see Tampa Verbena (Glandularia tampensis) for sale, I highly recommend it. It's endangered, but you can find it at Home Depot and Lowe's. And I haven't had any problems with plants from the big box stores, but I do still prefer local nurseries for economic and environmental reasons.

And as always, I can't stress how important it is to let some of the weeds just go. If you can keep a section of your yard weedy, you will be rewarded. Spanish Needles (Bidens alba) is a host for the Dainty Sulphur and one of the best nectar plants ever. Desmodium spp. (Beggar's Ticks) host the Long-Tailed Skipper and Dorantes Skipper. Right now we have Virginia Pepper Grass coming up which hosts the Great Southern White and the Checkered White. Pellitory is a great host for the Red Admiral - just saw my first one this year a few days ago!

Okay, mentally wandering around my yard...Duranta (aka Golden Dewdrop) is a vine that serves as a good nectar plant. Plumbagos, which can be found literally everywhere, host the Cassius Blue and are a great nectar plant for the Swallowtails as well as other butterflies. But Swallowtails really like them. My neighbor has a Firecracker Fern that always seems to attract the Sulphurs. Oh, which reminds me, a Senna or Cassia would be good to host the Sulphur butterflies. Try to go native as there is one sold as Christmas Senna which is invasive. I grow Privet Cassia (Senna ligustrina).

I am an echinacea killer. People will say they're native to Florida but if you check the ISB Atlas of Vascular Plants (I LOVE this website), you'll see it only grows in the panhandle. http://www.florida.plantatlas.... I've tried them all around my yard in different degrees of sun, water, and soil and they die every time.

Where are you in Central Florida? If you haven't already checked out the Florida Gardening forum, we would all be happy to recommend some of our favorite places to buy plants. As soon as my Dad's truck is available, I'm going to buy another Sweetbay Magnolia from a nursery in Land O' Lakes. It's a host plant for the Tiger Swallowtail which I am determined to raise! Also, feel free to check in anytime in the daily butterfly thread. You don't have to have pictures. It's a great place just to discuss butterflies so if you have questions you may get more answers since some of us forget to check the whole forum for a while (which is why Ann had to call me out!) Hilarious! And if you look at my signature, you'll see I volunteer at MOSI in the butterfly exhibit. If you're near Tampa, I'd be happy to show you around the garden and the butterfly exhibit. It's located outside the museum so you don't need to buy a ticket to get in to see it. Heck, a lot of visitors stop by the butterfly exhibit before they even go inside to buy their tickets so I'm just used to it.

I don't purposefully try to attract hummingbirds, but here's what they eat in my garden. Porterweed. Oh, how did I forget to mention porterweed! Again, there is a native and an invasive variety. The native has blue flowers and is much shorter than the invasive kind. The invasive will have either purple or coral flowers. It's also a butterfly magnet. I hate to think how much nectar those little flowers must produce. Hummingbirds will also hit up firebush, any of my bromeliads in bloom (surprised me, too), and I've seen them on my flowering maple (Abutilon spp.).

If you have more questions, or questions about a particular plant we've mentioned or how to attract a certain butterfly, just ask! FYI, a great place to buy host plants is www.mailordernatives.com I have ordered many hard to find host plants from them. Great folks with good prices.
Image
Feb 26, 2015 10:47 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Terese
Central Florida, (Zone 9b)
Wisconsin Dells Area, zone4
Bee Lover Butterflies Cat Lover Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Hi Mellie,

thanks for that long post... quite a while back, Bonnie [from Clermont] who I "met" on DG told me about the FLA forum; i've posted in there a few times and even have a thread for my new flower beds.... came in here for the input on bees, birds and butterflies.

btw - I'm in Leesburg.

Was in a seed swap where i got some porterweed, both blue and purple - from Ron down in Naples.

I'm sure I have a Jatropha as my neighbor mentions that name all the time, just never saw it in text as of yet... but large/tall shrub with red blooms.

While googling around, found a nursery near me called Just Perfect Plants, or something like that. and another one in Groveland .... as for weeds... yup, plenty of those and most are blooming. I see the bunnies eating those too. some are red, and some are little cute blue blooms.

Ann -- I had Borage at my IL home... sorry to say, I hated it. the prickly foliage drove me crazy and i was pulling the stuff out for at least 5 yrs after getting rid of it.
Terese --Leesburg, FL & Lake Delton, Wi

Image
Feb 26, 2015 11:18 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Terese
Central Florida, (Zone 9b)
Wisconsin Dells Area, zone4
Bee Lover Butterflies Cat Lover Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
how does everyone feel about yarrow?

I had it at my old house, and at times regretted planting it -- though the blooms were pretty.

I received 2 packets in the swap, though i did not request them... and I guess I could sprinkle the seeds out back -- I have what used to be a dry river bed behind our property line... which it now full of water... but it's weedy; so if something grows, cool and if not - Oh well.
Terese --Leesburg, FL & Lake Delton, Wi

Image
Feb 26, 2015 1:44 PM CST
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
Butterflies Enjoys or suffers hot summers Hummingbirder Birds Bee Lover Bookworm
Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
You're quite welcome, Terese. Sounds like you've got a pretty good start, already. I've never grown Yarrow so I can't really say anything about it. I don't think it's a host plant for anything but I don't know about nectar. I always think of it more as an herb and I'm not much of an herb person.

I don't have bunnies in my yard, although I saw two raccoons running along the opposite side of the street this morning. That was pretty funny. My neighbor's used to have a pet rabbit and their son would come over to my yard with his little wagon and collect the weeds in our yard. I think a lot of that was because his mom knew we didn't use much pesticide because I was a butterfly gardener. Definitely safe for the rabbit to eat. And he never picked anything that was a host plant so I was like, "Please, take my weeds!"

I just bought a bunch of plants today so I'm going to have to get out there and do some planting! I've got Dad to help out, too. I want all my host plants in place before the butterflies arrive.
Image
Feb 26, 2015 2:07 PM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
Garden Sages Region: Ukraine Native Plants and Wildflowers Xeriscape Organic Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Garden Ideas: Master Level Butterflies Charter ATP Member Plant Identifier Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Dog Lover
I've tried Yarrow several times both down south in zone 10 Fl. & up here in 8b Fl. & I just can't get them to keep living. They are supposed to be a Xeri plant but I'll be darned if they're Xeri enough for Florida's xeri requirements.
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others. ~~ Sharon Brown
Image
Feb 26, 2015 5:31 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Terese
Central Florida, (Zone 9b)
Wisconsin Dells Area, zone4
Bee Lover Butterflies Cat Lover Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
thanks Ann... maybe they are more "northern" -- I'll have to do more research. But i can just sprinkle seeds and if something comes up, good, if not, no biggy.

I had them [the white blooms] at home with Blue Flax and it was a very pretty combination.
Terese --Leesburg, FL & Lake Delton, Wi

Image
Feb 26, 2015 7:06 PM CST
Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Daylilies Hummingbirder Butterflies Seed Starter Container Gardener
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Ideas: Master Level Lover of wildlife (Black bear badge) Birds Ponds
Terese - Welcome to Florida!

I have a lot of butterflies in my yard constantly during most of the year here on the east coast of central FL. What gets the most use:

Plumbago
Firespike
Firebush
Cape Honeysuckle
Cassia
Alba Incense passiflora vine (I don't know why, but this white blooming one is the MOST popular in my yard for Zebra Longwings and Gulf Fritillaries)
Pipevine (Only 2 species of pipevine seems to be attractors (host plants) to butterflies in my yard): Aristolochia trilobata and Aristolochia fimbriata
Parsley
Dill
Rue
Tropical Milkweed
Pentas
Porterweed
Lantana
Zinnia

I grow the Winter blooming Salvia (because I only get the over-wintering hummingbirds - NO Summer Hummers):
Pineapple Sage
Amistad
Phyllis's Fancy
Lavender Lace
Wendy's Wish
Any of the Salvia coccinea cultivars
Black and Blue
Salvia involucrata 'Hidalgo' (This one is very popular with the hummingbirds during Winter)
Hot Lips (Very popular with hummers and butterflies)
Salvia madrensis
Salvia miniata
Salvia oxyphora

Other hummer plants that bloom in Fall and Spring (and often through mild Winters, too)
Necklace Pod
Coral Honeysuckle
Cape Honeysuckle (Popular with many birds, not just hummingbirds in Winter! This is a Winter Bloomer, too.)
Shrimp Plant
Russelia equisetiformis
Bottlebrush shrubs/trees

These plants are the reason I believe I typically host 3 or 4 hummingbirds every Winter. They like the sugar water feeders, but the plants bring them to my yard and give them variety. And I think that is why these birds stick around for 5-6 months Fall thru Spring. I only get male Ruby-throated Hummingbirds. I was told that my yard is considered prime property for hummers because of the plants. The males chase off any females as the boys are very territorial in my yard in Winter. I believe that is true, because before I had all these plants, I had 2 female Ruby-throated hummingbirds for 2 Winters and then the males took over as I added more plants each year. I have more salvia than listed above, but the jury is still out on how much these other salvia attract hummers. I only acquired the newest salvias this Winter, so I won't know how desirable they are to the hummers until next winter. Some of the plants bloom in the Fall, then others take over in Winter with blooms, and then when those fade the Spring plants bloom. So I have lots of variety for those 6 months. I also get a number of hummers passing through on their migration trip. I have actually had a female Rufous for a short time too, but it is almost always Ruby-throated hummingbirds here. No hummers during the late Spring through Summer months. My motto has always been, "Plant it and they will come!"
What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters, compared to what lies within us.
Garden Rooms and Becky's Budget Garden
Image
Feb 26, 2015 7:12 PM CST
Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Daylilies Hummingbirder Butterflies Seed Starter Container Gardener
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Ideas: Master Level Lover of wildlife (Black bear badge) Birds Ponds
Let me also say that most of the Salvia I listed above, I had to mail-order to get them. The nurseries here don't offer much in the way of Hummingbird plants. And most of those I grow in partial shade area. The heat and sun in Florida in Summers is very brutal! Only the most heat-tolerant plants survive.

Hot Lips Salvia is an awesome heat tolerant Salvia and the butterflies and Hummers seem to enjoy the blooms year round.
What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters, compared to what lies within us.
Garden Rooms and Becky's Budget Garden
Last edited by beckygardener Feb 27, 2015 3:57 PM Icon for preview
Image
Feb 27, 2015 6:29 AM CST
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
Butterflies Enjoys or suffers hot summers Hummingbirder Birds Bee Lover Bookworm
Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
Great list, Becky! I only get the Ruby-Throated Hummingbirds and then, only in the cooler months. Although, I have had the females and males before. I think they were nesting in my oak tree. The males are very territorial. I even had one challenge me when I got too close to the porterweed. It was planted near the driveway and I had to get to my car so I was like, "Hey, I'm bigger than you. Get out of the way!" You think a tiny bird would be afraid of a giant human but it took him a minute to back down. For a while, they would fly around my head when I used to walk out the front door to go to work.
Image
Feb 27, 2015 8:45 AM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
Garden Sages Region: Ukraine Native Plants and Wildflowers Xeriscape Organic Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Garden Ideas: Master Level Butterflies Charter ATP Member Plant Identifier Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Dog Lover
Do you often wear red Melanie? They always check me out when i have red on and we catch them checking out the rear lights on the car especially when the car lights are on.
They are extremely territorial!!! Here, the females guard the feeders like crazy & they have no problem beating up the males. Hilarious! I ended up putting out 3 feeders so 1 hummer could not guard all 3. 1 is in front, 1 on the side & 1 in the back.
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others. ~~ Sharon Brown
Image
Feb 27, 2015 9:20 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Terese
Central Florida, (Zone 9b)
Wisconsin Dells Area, zone4
Bee Lover Butterflies Cat Lover Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
so - generally the Hummers are only in passing when they are migrating?
I have tons of them in WI. one year I had out about 6 feeders and at one time counted 20 hummingbirds.

we get them end of April til mid to end of Sept.

Becky - thank you for that lengthy list.
Terese --Leesburg, FL & Lake Delton, Wi

Image
Feb 27, 2015 1:25 PM CST
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
Butterflies Enjoys or suffers hot summers Hummingbirder Birds Bee Lover Bookworm
Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
Ann, there was one that didn't care what I wore. If I walked by that porterweed, he was in my face. The ones I've had in the last few years have been much less willing to tolerate my presence. I told this story last year on the hummingbird thread, but here it is again. Last year about this time, most of my bromeliads were blooming in the circle part of our driveway. Mom and I watched as a hummingbird went around and hit up every single bloom! I went back inside to get my camera to see if it would come back eventually. I sat in my car and waited and waited. It came back but I scared it the first time. Finally, it reappeared and I got some photos. But that was after two hours of waiting! And in the meantime, my feet got a little sunburned so now I still have tan lines in the shape of my sandals. Rolling on the floor laughing But it was totally worth it.
Image
Feb 27, 2015 1:51 PM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
Garden Sages Region: Ukraine Native Plants and Wildflowers Xeriscape Organic Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Garden Ideas: Master Level Butterflies Charter ATP Member Plant Identifier Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Dog Lover
Now that's patience! Sitting 2 whole hours waiting to get a shot of a hummer!

Terese, there is a plant that I forgot to mention. It isn't a native but it isn't invasive either and it's like bee heroin! They can't get enough of it.
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others. ~~ Sharon Brown
Image
Feb 27, 2015 2:09 PM CST
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
Butterflies Enjoys or suffers hot summers Hummingbirder Birds Bee Lover Bookworm
Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
Ann, I just saw that plant for sale when I went shopping yesterday!

Only the members of the Members group may reply to this thread.
  • Started by: tcs1366
  • Replies: 31, views: 6,407
Member Login:

( No account? Join now! )

Today's site banner is by Newyorkrita and is called "Siberian Iris China Spring "

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.