Lilium 'Super Tsing' as the pod parent, open pollinated with other martagon section lilies, yielded some goofy looking seedlings, but some are nice....
This one is different, starting with the unusually leafy flower spike. It's 5ft tall now, but with only one whorl of leaves!
Others....
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Sweet Surrender x Dots and Dashs - Some look very much the same, but each pic is a different seedling and genetically different. A few opened yellow and faded to white.
---- Now don't get dizzy here.......
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Are they all from the same bud/pod or couple different pods. Pretty good color spread and nicely shaped flowers that show strong influence to Dots and Dashes (was that kinda predictable?) Did the overall growth vary much?
I really like the 7th pic; looks like a white version of D-n-D. They're all great but that 1st one in the 4th row, with the dots on the tips ~ WEIRD! I love it!
Where are we going, and why am I in this hand-basket?
I went back and looked at my notes, and these are all from the same pod. An interesting side note is that the pod parent (Sweet Surrender) appeared to be either virused or on it's last legs. The flower (and plant) was only half the size it should have been. Of course, I pulled it as soon as the pod ripened.
I do tend to keep duplicated crosses separate if there is a lot of seed. My preliminary results with the first blooms of duplicated crosses actually seem to show a difference from pod to pod! Not sure why that would or could be.
I forgot to mention that most of those pics were taken around noon today in the sweltering heat. (One does what he must in the time allotted.) The stress really shows on the blooms, with many looking thin, depleted and curling in more than might normally be. The design patterns should be fairly true, though. About half of them had their first bloom last season. These are the pics of them from last year. You can see how much happier they are. :nodding:
Moby, that tip marking characteristic comes from Dots and Dashs. Most people don't even notice it since the flower is so "busy" already.
As far as predictability, I guess it seems that way, but really, you just never know\ for sure.
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Very interesting post, Rick. Somtime during the off season, I want to reintroduce the subject of individual pod/seedling differences. Maybe I'll be able to put my suspecions to rest.
That noid is the almost pollenless noid I've talked about before. It has very shiny, thick, wide foliage and excellent staying power. It's almost the first lily I ever grew from 40+ years ago.
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Well when you grew your first lily at about 12 years old, I don't know how much experience that really counts as. I've only been heavily into them for 10-15 years.
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I kept a old Mid Century hybrid going from the early 50's until the early/mid 90's when voles got it. I moved several times after I graduated and I moved some bulbs right along with me. Wish I still had it. I got it from a 90 year old neighbor lady who had brought it home after a funeral for her oun garden. She gave me a start. Her parents were settlers and there was an Indian Village by a large creek nearby. I heard lots of first hand experiences she had with Indians as a child, How she an her Ma would make bread and pies in exchange for fish, etc. It all was interesting to this 10/11 year old boy.
