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Lilies forum: 2013 Pics of Crosses by Leftwood

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Name: Rick R.
near Minneapolis, MN zone 4a
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Leftwood
Jul 15, 2013 10:44 PM CST
Lilium 'Super Tsing' as the pod parent, open pollinated with other martagon section lilies, yielded some goofy looking seedlings, but some are nice....

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This one is different, starting with the unusually leafy flower spike. It's 5ft tall now, but with only one whorl of leaves!
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Others....

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Name: Rick R.
near Minneapolis, MN zone 4a
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Leftwood
Jul 16, 2013 3:05 PM CST
Sweet Surrender x Dots and Dashs - Some look very much the same, but each pic is a different seedling and genetically different. A few opened yellow and faded to white.
---- Now don't get dizzy here....... Whistling

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Name: Lorn (Roosterlorn)
S.E Wisconsin (Zone 5b)
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Roosterlorn
Jul 16, 2013 3:24 PM CST
Are they all from the same bud/pod or couple different pods. Pretty good color spread and nicely shaped flowers that show strong influence to Dots and Dashes (was that kinda predictable?) Did the overall growth vary much?
Name: Tc / Tracey
Wisconsin (Zone 5a)
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magnolialover
Jul 16, 2013 4:03 PM CST

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Very nice. Love 'Dots and Dashs'.
Lincoln, NE
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Moby
Jul 16, 2013 10:00 PM CST
I really like the 7th pic; looks like a white version of D-n-D. They're all great but that 1st one in the 4th row, with the dots on the tips ~ WEIRD! I love it!
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Name: Rick R.
near Minneapolis, MN zone 4a
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Leftwood
Jul 16, 2013 10:10 PM CST
I went back and looked at my notes, and these are all from the same pod. An interesting side note is that the pod parent (Sweet Surrender) appeared to be either virused or on it's last legs. The flower (and plant) was only half the size it should have been. Of course, I pulled it as soon as the pod ripened.

I do tend to keep duplicated crosses separate if there is a lot of seed. My preliminary results with the first blooms of duplicated crosses actually seem to show a difference from pod to pod! Not sure why that would or could be.

I forgot to mention that most of those pics were taken around noon today in the sweltering heat. (One does what he must in the time allotted.) The stress really shows on the blooms, with many looking thin, depleted and curling in more than might normally be. The design patterns should be fairly true, though. About half of them had their first bloom last season. These are the pics of them from last year. You can see how much happier they are. :nodding:

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Moby, that tip marking characteristic comes from Dots and Dashs. Most people don't even notice it since the flower is so "busy" already.

As far as predictability, I guess it seems that way, but really, you just never know\ for sure.
Name: Lorn (Roosterlorn)
S.E Wisconsin (Zone 5b)
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Roosterlorn
Jul 17, 2013 8:19 AM CST
Very interesting post, Rick. Somtime during the off season, I want to reintroduce the subject of individual pod/seedling differences. Maybe I'll be able to put my suspecions to rest.
Name: della
hobart, tasmania
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dellac
Jul 20, 2013 5:16 AM CST
Terrific! It's great and thought-provoking to see the range of progeny from both crosses. Will you be taking any of these further?
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Name: Rick R.
near Minneapolis, MN zone 4a
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Leftwood
Jul 20, 2013 10:05 PM CST
Lilium davidii var. willmottiae and Lilium 'Olina'
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Initial results from three different seed pods (more to bloom next year)
Pod #1
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Pod #2
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Pod #3
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Name: Lily Martagon
Du Page County Illinois (Zone 5a)
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sgardener
Jul 20, 2013 11:44 PM CST
Nice looking seedlings. Lovey dubby
Name: Anthony Gloriosoides[ sure!]
Rosetta,Tasmania,Australia (Zone 7b)
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gwhizz
Jul 21, 2013 4:08 AM CST
Brilliant Rick.. It gives a novice like me a better understanding of 'seedling genetics'!!!!!! Hilarious!
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Name: Rick R.
near Minneapolis, MN zone 4a
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Leftwood
Jul 21, 2013 9:34 PM CST
An interesting note about this last pod #3 bunch.
Two of them wither in a peculiar fashion. Open --- withered(morning) --- withered(evening)

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On this one, the sepals get a white picotee.

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Name: Rick R.
near Minneapolis, MN zone 4a
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Leftwood
Jul 21, 2013 9:48 PM CST
Lilium Noid and Lilium 'Kathy Jan'
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Lilium Noid x Lilium 'Kathy Jan'

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Lincoln, NE
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Moby
Jul 22, 2013 12:11 AM CST
That last batch is really a nice mix of the parents, isn't it! Then there's that one ginger that stands out... ;)
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Name: Anthony Gloriosoides[ sure!]
Rosetta,Tasmania,Australia (Zone 7b)
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gwhizz
Jul 22, 2013 3:36 AM CST
Very Nice!
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Name: Rick R.
near Minneapolis, MN zone 4a
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Leftwood
Jul 22, 2013 7:08 AM CST
That noid is the almost pollenless noid I've talked about before. It has very shiny, thick, wide foliage and excellent staying power. It's almost the first lily I ever grew from 40+ years ago.
Name: Lorn (Roosterlorn)
S.E Wisconsin (Zone 5b)
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Roosterlorn
Jul 22, 2013 7:27 AM CST
Geez--that's a long time, Rick. Your area of expertise intrigues me as much or more than my own. But I can't do both. Enjoying your every post.
Name: Rick R.
near Minneapolis, MN zone 4a
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Leftwood
Jul 22, 2013 7:51 PM CST
Well when you grew your first lily at about 12 years old, I don't know how much experience that really counts as. I've only been heavily into them for 10-15 years.
Name: Lorn (Roosterlorn)
S.E Wisconsin (Zone 5b)
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Roosterlorn
Jul 23, 2013 9:41 AM CST
I kept a old Mid Century hybrid going from the early 50's until the early/mid 90's when voles got it. I moved several times after I graduated and I moved some bulbs right along with me. Wish I still had it. I got it from a 90 year old neighbor lady who had brought it home after a funeral for her oun garden. She gave me a start. Her parents were settlers and there was an Indian Village by a large creek nearby. I heard lots of first hand experiences she had with Indians as a child, How she an her Ma would make bread and pies in exchange for fish, etc. It all was interesting to this 10/11 year old boy.
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Name: Rick R.
near Minneapolis, MN zone 4a
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Leftwood
Jul 27, 2013 8:30 PM CST
Lilium davidii var. willmottiae and Lilium 'Tinos'
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Lilium davidii var. willmottiae x Lilium 'Tinos'

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Notice that last one has multiple petals (and funny curled anthers). There were six flowers on that stem, and four had more than six petals.

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