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zuzu
Apr 10, 2012 12:34 PM CST
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We have an entry named: Tropical Hibiscus (Hibiscus rosa-sinensis).
The page specifies: "This database entry is a 'parent entry.' The information below is applicable to all tropical hibiscus." The page is full of photos of unidentified tropical hibiscuses.
But there's also a species hibiscus called Hibiscus rosa-sinensis. A photo of the species hibiscus shouldn't be mixed in with the NOID's, should it? How should we treat the actual species plant and the photos of it? |
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dave
Apr 10, 2012 1:26 PM CST
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| You mean there is an actual species (that you could obtain and grow) for Hibiscus rosa-sinensis that is not a cultivar name? And simultaneously, there is a whole bunch of cultivars that are Hibiscus rosa-sinensis? |
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zuzu
Apr 10, 2012 1:34 PM CST
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| Yes, that's what I mean. |
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I'm going to jump in here too, zuzu, with another related issue to consider while we're at it. H. rosa-sinensis is the species. We have the parent listed as Tropical Hibiscus right now which is the best way to get to the list when doing a search since the hyphen (aka minus sign) -sinensis seems to negate everything after and you don't get a list at all if you search by that name.
However, there are other species of Tropical Hibiscus as well. But when you just type "Tropical Hibiscus" into the search box, you don't get those other species. That's why some photos of Tropical Hibiscus went to Dave for moderation rather than you since you have only "Tropical Hibiscus" rosa-sinensis.
Something seems a bit off about that as well. I think this stems from dividing genera for moderating purposes? Not sure what to do about it.
If you have remarked errors in me, your superior wisdom must pardon them. Who errs not while perambulating the domain of nature? Who can observe everything with accuracy? Correct me as a friend, and I as a friend will requite with kindness. ~Linnaeus
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zuzu
Apr 10, 2012 2:41 PM CST
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| Tee, I think the problem you mention could be solved easily by making us the co-moderators of the entire hibiscus database. I'll still concentrate on augmenting and cleaning up the tropical entries, and you can concentrate on the rest, but we'll both be able to upload and edit without waiting for each other's or Dave's approval of our changes and additions. |
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Yes, I think that would eliminate that problem since it only came into being when we split the genus for moderation.
The search for H. rosa-sinensis is a separate issue to be resolved. It's that pesky little minus sign -
If you have remarked errors in me, your superior wisdom must pardon them. Who errs not while perambulating the domain of nature? Who can observe everything with accuracy? Correct me as a friend, and I as a friend will requite with kindness. ~Linnaeus
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dave
Apr 10, 2012 2:58 PM CST
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| I have a quick question then: if I make you co-moderators of the whole genus (which I'm happy to do) then that will resolve every issue brought up in this thread (except for the separate issue of a minus sign negating text in a search)? |
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What do you think, zuzu? Will we be able to resolve the issue with the species rosa-sinensis vs the NOIDs photos listed under H. rosa-sinensis?
If you have remarked errors in me, your superior wisdom must pardon them. Who errs not while perambulating the domain of nature? Who can observe everything with accuracy? Correct me as a friend, and I as a friend will requite with kindness. ~Linnaeus
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zuzu
Apr 10, 2012 3:25 PM CST
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| Yes, Dave, Tee and I will come up with a solution to the species plant vs. NOID's issue. |
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If you have remarked errors in me, your superior wisdom must pardon them. Who errs not while perambulating the domain of nature? Who can observe everything with accuracy? Correct me as a friend, and I as a friend will requite with kindness. ~Linnaeus
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dave
Apr 10, 2012 3:40 PM CST
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| Done! |
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zuzu
Apr 10, 2012 3:46 PM CST
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Tee and I think the Hibiscus rosa-sinensis page should be reserved for the species plant, and all of the unidentified tropical hibiscuses and combinations of more than one tropical cultivar should join all of the other unidentified hibiscuses and combination photos on the main Hibiscus page.
I think this probably is an issue for other plants as well. There's a Clematis viticella page, for instance, and there's a temptation to post photos of any unidentified viticella cultivar there instead of making the page exclusive to the species plant. |
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Are we removing H. syriacus and H. moscheutos from my Profile page and everything now goes back together into the one genera, Hibiscus?
Do we need to designate a new Parent plant page?
If you have remarked errors in me, your superior wisdom must pardon them. Who errs not while perambulating the domain of nature? Who can observe everything with accuracy? Correct me as a friend, and I as a friend will requite with kindness. ~Linnaeus
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dave
Apr 10, 2012 4:04 PM CST
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zuzu said:Tee and I think the Hibiscus rosa-sinensis page should be reserved for the species plant, and all of the unidentified tropical hibiscuses and combinations of more than one tropical cultivar should join all of the other unidentified hibiscuses and combination photos on the main Hibiscus page.
The idea of having a custom database specifically for this kind of Hibiscus is a very attractive feature that I am very hesitant to lose. If need be, we can "outlaw" having photos of NOIDs in that entry, but I want to keep the entry as a parent plant so that we can have a custom database for cultivars inside this species. |
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| I agree ... so what do we do with the species plant?
If you have remarked errors in me, your superior wisdom must pardon them. Who errs not while perambulating the domain of nature? Who can observe everything with accuracy? Correct me as a friend, and I as a friend will requite with kindness. ~Linnaeus
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dave
Apr 10, 2012 4:12 PM CST
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| The parent plant should double as the species plant, unless you have a better idea. |
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zuzu
Apr 10, 2012 4:14 PM CST
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| Okay, NOID's outlawed on this page. The other thing seems necessary too because the general plant information is different for the tropicals. |
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I have no ideas at the moment -- too pooped to pop right now. I'm waiting to see what zuzu has done with H. rosa-sinensis (species). What I can think straight, I'll be back. 
If you have remarked errors in me, your superior wisdom must pardon them. Who errs not while perambulating the domain of nature? Who can observe everything with accuracy? Correct me as a friend, and I as a friend will requite with kindness. ~Linnaeus
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| Which page, zuzu?
If you have remarked errors in me, your superior wisdom must pardon them. Who errs not while perambulating the domain of nature? Who can observe everything with accuracy? Correct me as a friend, and I as a friend will requite with kindness. ~Linnaeus
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| OK, I found what you did with the species, H. rosa-sinensis. Looks good, z. I've got to go for the evening. Regroup in the morning.
If you have remarked errors in me, your superior wisdom must pardon them. Who errs not while perambulating the domain of nature? Who can observe everything with accuracy? Correct me as a friend, and I as a friend will requite with kindness. ~Linnaeus
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