Jan- HOLLY DANCER has been a standout here for many, many years. I think most of Jamie Gossard's lovely reds go back to HOLLY. I wish it would have stood a chance at a Stout Medal for Dottie. It really is an outstanding red. It does "canoe" a bit, but it's got good branching, nice scapes, good budcount. And, it's a really good parent. I have it in the tet conversion also.