Just to clarify -- the people on the thread "Season of the NOID's" are the same people that are on this thread, are the same people on all of the Iris threads here at ATP. It would be a mistake to judge all of the people, and the threads themselves, by your perceptions of the response to your question at the beginning of this thread, Greene. It is also very unfair to advise newcomers to ATP that there are "lots of good Forums", as though this one is not. As several people have already pointed out, your response to the replies that you got is unwarranted, and is an emotional reaction rather than a rational one. The information conveyed to you was intended to be factual and helpful, not critical. If you prefer to interpret it that way, that is your right -- but kindly do not use it to influence new members to ATP and to the Iris Forum.