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Aug 1, 2019 5:50 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4b)
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Some time ago someone was on here talking about using the database info for their own. I was just looking for something else daylily related on Google and came across this and wondered if there was a connection. Regardless, the site has some odd and impossible suggestions on various daylily cultivars for propagation, e.g. corms, leaf cuttings, sow seeds in situ.

http://www.openplantsdb.com/it...

The info is not identical though, for example this page, although the picture is the same.

Daylily (Hemerocallis 'Blue Sky Baby')
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Aug 1, 2019 6:00 PM CST
Name: Lin Vosbury
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)

Region: Ukraine Region: United States of America Bird Bath, Fountain and Waterfall Region: Florida Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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Interesting, is it anything to do with the NGA? I just quickly scanned that page and found a few of our database Daylily photos and one scenic shot of Ditchlilies too : https://www.openplantsdb.com/i...

Two more that show up besides the 'Blue Sky Baby':
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Aug 1, 2019 6:17 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4b)
Annuals Native Plants and Wildflowers Keeps Horses Dog Lover Daylilies Region: Canadian
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Well I just found my NGA picture of Hemerocallis 'Blackberry Sherbert' on there with some incredible specifications! Triploid, crispate, blooms on old wood, propagate by tip cuttings Hilarious!

http://www.openplantsdb.com/it...
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Aug 1, 2019 6:49 PM CST
Name: tfc
North Central TX (Zone 8a)
Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
Very interesting. Someone recently asked to download our database. When I saw the post I flagged Dave. Joshua was alert and answered. This was on AAQ either yesterday or the day before.
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Aug 1, 2019 6:56 PM CST
Name: Lin Vosbury
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)

Region: Ukraine Region: United States of America Bird Bath, Fountain and Waterfall Region: Florida Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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sooby said:Well I just found my NGA picture of Hemerocallis 'Blackberry Sherbert' on there with some incredible specifications! Triploid, crispate, blooms on old wood, propagate by tip cuttings Hilarious!


Gee, I learned something new about Hemerocallis today! Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing
~ I'm an old gal who still loves playing in the dirt!
~ Playing in the dirt is my therapy ... and I'm in therapy a lot!


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Aug 1, 2019 7:27 PM CST
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Name: Joshua
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It does look like quite a few photos on that site have been taken from here. What raises red flags for me even more is the fact that there is no "About Us" or "Contact" information at all (in fact, the site is quite poorly designed - just a number of pages that you would have to click through to see what plants are there). Will have to see if I can find out who owns the domain and contact them that way.
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The current profile image is that of Iris 'Volcanic Glow'.
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Aug 1, 2019 7:47 PM CST
Name: Baja
Baja California (Zone 11b)
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That and the fact that they stamp their copyright on the bottom of every page on their site, including pages where the image copyright belongs to someone else.
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Aug 1, 2019 8:52 PM CST
Name: Lin Vosbury
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)

Region: Ukraine Region: United States of America Bird Bath, Fountain and Waterfall Region: Florida Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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I noticed my Daylily photo with the humming bird, if you enlarge the picture it has my copyright and the All Things Plants name so it must have been taken before we became garden.org.
~ I'm an old gal who still loves playing in the dirt!
~ Playing in the dirt is my therapy ... and I'm in therapy a lot!


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Aug 1, 2019 8:53 PM CST
Name: Lin Vosbury
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)

Region: Ukraine Region: United States of America Bird Bath, Fountain and Waterfall Region: Florida Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Birds Butterflies Bee Lover Hummingbirder Container Gardener
I also noticed there was no contact information or about us info.

edited to add: At the bottom of their page it says:
Copyright © 2017 The Open Plants DB
~ I'm an old gal who still loves playing in the dirt!
~ Playing in the dirt is my therapy ... and I'm in therapy a lot!


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Aug 1, 2019 8:56 PM CST
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Name: Joshua
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plantladylin said:I noticed my Daylily photo with the humming bird, if you enlarge the picture it has my copyright and the All Things Plants name so it must have been taken before we became garden.org.


Not necessarily true. The copyright watermarks are added at the time of upload, so all that indicates is that the photo was uploaded when the site was ATP. It's hard to say when it was harvested from the database here (could have been when we were still ATP, or after we became garden.org).
Plant Authorities: Catalogue of Life (Species) --- International Cultivar Registration Authorities (Cultivars) --- RHS Orchid Register --- RHS Lilium Register
My Notes: Orchid Genera HTML PDF Excel --- Lilium Traits HTML PDF --- Lilium Species Crosses HTML PDF Excel --- Lilium Species Diagram
The current profile image is that of Iris 'Volcanic Glow'.
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Aug 1, 2019 9:07 PM CST
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Name: Zuzu
Northern California (Zone 9a)
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Australis is correct. A lot of my photos were added in 2010 and say Cubits.org instead of ATP or NGA.
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Aug 1, 2019 9:27 PM CST
Name: Marilyn
Kentucky (Zone 6a)
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I recognized at least 8 (if not more) of my photos. Some of the photos don't have a name listed and I can't be sure if some of those without names are mine or not.
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Aug 2, 2019 8:11 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4b)
Annuals Native Plants and Wildflowers Keeps Horses Dog Lover Daylilies Region: Canadian
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tx_flower_child said:Very interesting. Someone recently asked to download our database. When I saw the post I flagged Dave. Joshua was alert and answered. This was on AAQ either yesterday or the day before.


I didn't see that one, the one I was thinking of was probably at least a few months ago. I think, but may be remembering wrong, that his activity was slowing down the NGA site. I can't find the thread now, or else I'm not trying the right keywords.
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Aug 2, 2019 10:43 AM CST
Name: Juli
Ohio (Zone 6a)
Region: United States of America Charter ATP Member Cottage Gardener Daylilies Garden Photography Enjoys or suffers cold winters
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Yep at least one of my pictures too 'Break Dance'

Edited to add photo in NGA database
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Aug 2, 2019 12:01 PM CST
Name: tfc
North Central TX (Zone 8a)
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I definitely remember the one from a few months ago that slowed everything down. That person was downright nasty. And threatening. Hard to know if this is the same person as anyone can set up a new identity and change their ISP, change location and whatever else one has to do.

So anyway, the new request is (so far) not threatening but @Australis probably has more insight than I do. If memory serves, when I saw this new request it was kind of late and no one had seen it yet. I figured Joshua might see it because of his time zone. I would have flagged him but at the top of my head I couldn't remember how to spell his member name. Embarrassing but true.

I don't know if these 'requests' happened much in the past. I do hope this isn't the sign of things to come.

So anyway,, if you were searching for this newest one, I can easily find it. If not, never mind.
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Aug 2, 2019 12:17 PM CST
Name: Lauri
N Central Wash. - the dry side (Zone 5b)
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Some of the photos, such as the Ditch Lily habitat view are in the public domain. Some of the others, that are also in our database, belong to vendors etc. and are used here with permission. It appears that they are not all 'poached'.
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Aug 2, 2019 1:38 PM CST
Name: Juli
Ohio (Zone 6a)
Region: United States of America Charter ATP Member Cottage Gardener Daylilies Garden Photography Enjoys or suffers cold winters
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This one is not public....

Thumb of 2019-08-02/daylily/f222df
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Aug 2, 2019 2:49 PM CST
Name: Lauri
N Central Wash. - the dry side (Zone 5b)
Enjoys or suffers hot summers Enjoys or suffers cold winters Seed Starter Greenhouse Foliage Fan Vegetable Grower
Organic Gardener Dog Lover Birds Lover of wildlife (Black bear badge) Plant Identifier Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
No, it looks like they've grabbed a ton of photos directly from this site. I can't imagine that many people will see them though, as poorly designed as the website is.
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Aug 2, 2019 2:58 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4b)
Annuals Native Plants and Wildflowers Keeps Horses Dog Lover Daylilies Region: Canadian
Butterflies Birds Enjoys or suffers cold winters Garden Sages Plant Identifier
lauribob said:I can't imagine that many people will see them though, as poorly designed as the website is.


How I found the site was I was Googling for a daylily mentioned in a thread in the Daylily Forum and got these results, many from that site:

https://www.google.ca/search?q...
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Aug 2, 2019 6:40 PM CST
Garden.org Admin
Name: Dave Whitinger
Southlake, Texas (Zone 8a)
Region: Texas Seed Starter Vegetable Grower Tomato Heads Vermiculture Garden Research Contributor
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The owner of this website has gone through extraordinary efforts to hide their identity. I'm trying to find what recourse we have here.

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