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Nov 18, 2020 5:47 PM CST
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Didn't know which forum to post this thread in, so I just posted it here.

I am thinking of getting into hybridizing plants, so I am asking for your guys' information on it. I have never even really read anything about how to hybridize plants, but from everything I've heard about it, it sounds very interesting.
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Nov 18, 2020 5:55 PM CST
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@Johannian - hybridising can be a lot of fun. The first thing would be work out what type of plants you want to work with, though, as the details can vary quite a bit.
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Nov 18, 2020 6:04 PM CST
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Thanks Josh.

Let's say...pansies.
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Nov 18, 2020 6:41 PM CST

@Johannian Technically, all you really need to do is add pollen from one flower onto the stigma of another flower, label the cross (if you care to know what the parent plants were), collect the seed and grow out the new plants (called the F1 generation).
I guess the bigger question would be what are you hoping to accomplish? If you are hoping to create a new variety that people would want to buy then it's a whole lot more complicated! Big Grin
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Nov 18, 2020 8:31 PM CST
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Thanks @K_Quinn. What I was hoping to do was make new plants (for instance a new dahlia that hasn't been discovered yet).
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Nov 18, 2020 8:40 PM CST
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Many types of plants have official registries (known as an International Cultivar Registration Authority, or ICRA) where you can register a new hybrid that you create. For some genera, the corresponding authority requires that the new hybrid be different enough from existing ones to warrant registration.

Once you decide which genus (or family) of plants you want to work with, you can look at the existing hybrids available (i.e. Dahlias) and see if there is a gap where you can introduce something new.

For example, you could make hybrids with the aim of producing a new yellow Dahlia. There are already plenty of yellow Dahlias in cultivation, so this one would need to be different somehow - perhaps it flowers much earlier or later than the existing ones, or it has a much larger flower, or is taller/shorter, etc. You would then look for suitable parent plants - ones that have some of the traits you need - and start crossing them together to try to get seeds.

An alternative, which is what I do with my Irises, is just to make crosses to produce something for my garden. This means you don't need to worry if it is very similar to an existing cultivar; it might just be that you want to see what happens when you cross two plants, or you might want something similar to an existing cultivar that you cannot easily buy.

Keep in mind that sometimes a cross will only work one way, even if both plants are in flower at the same time. In other cases you might want to cross two that don't flower at the same time, so you will need to keep pollen from the first one and use it on the later-flowering plant. You can usually store pollen in the fridge for many different plants.
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Nov 18, 2020 8:57 PM CST
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Thanks so much for the info Josh.

Would I be able to use the database to see if a certain kind of plant has already been introduced? Or is there a certain website I need to go to?
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Nov 18, 2020 9:01 PM CST
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The database here is pretty good, but is incomplete for many genera. It's a good starting point and if there isn't a plant similar to what you have in mind in the database here already, the next step would be to check with the corresponding ICRA.

This site is a list of the known ICRAs by genus.
https://www.ishs.org/sci/taxli...

For example, if you go to "D" and select "Dahlia", this is the entry:
https://www.ishs.org/sci/icral...

That would then take you to the RHS Dahlia Register, where you can download the current list of registered hybrids and also register your own:
https://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/...
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Nov 18, 2020 9:02 PM CST

Since this is very near and dear to my heart I'll tell you a little bit about my journey to becoming a plant breeder.
When I was a young child I read the book "For Love of a Rose" (by Antonia Ridge) which I highly recommend if you can get your hands on it. The book follows the Meilland family through several generations of rose breeders and details the creation of the famous 'Peace' rose. The story and introduction to flower breeding got me dreaming of being a plant breeder. Just like you, the idea of creating new varieties of plants really appealed to me. So to make a long story very short... After high school I went to university and got my Bachelor's degree in biology and then my Master's degree in plant breeding and genetics. I then went to work at a breeding company breeding flowers. It's a fantastic career and I would highly recommend it! I like to describe it as the perfect combination of science and art. You don't necessarily have to go to university to make a career out of it, but nowadays it is typically required by most companies.
If, however, you would just like to breed plants as a hobby I would suggest choosing plant species which are easily reproduced by cuttings or tubers (like dahlia's or irises) as this makes the whole process a lot easier. I would suggest learning about basic genetics as well. If you are still in school then make sure to pay attention in science class when you learn about Mendel Smiling
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Nov 18, 2020 9:14 PM CST
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Josh ~ thanks for the info and the links.

K_Quinn ~ thank you also for the information. I will look into that book.
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Nov 18, 2020 9:25 PM CST
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Sorry, one more question:

Would it be best to cross-pollinate as soon as the buds of the plant I choose to breed bloom?
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Nov 18, 2020 9:45 PM CST

It depends on when the stigma is ripe. This can be different for every species. I would suggest experimenting with different timing. You can also try adding pollen several times to the same flower to be sure you get the right timing.
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Nov 18, 2020 9:49 PM CST
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Ok, thanks. Thumbs up
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Nov 18, 2020 10:00 PM CST
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I agree with K_Quinn. It often depends on the plant involved. For example, the anthers on Irises and Liliums don't open immediately - the bloom may be open for a full day before the anthers open, exposing the pollen (depending on weather conditions).
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Nov 19, 2020 6:14 AM CST

If you are seriously into hybridization, I strongly suggest you read one of the many introductory books on plant breeding and selection now available for home gardeners. These are not university textbooks but reference guides (price-gouging Elsevier is hence not involved), so prices are affordable and in the $90-$25 range. There are also some very good and affordable monographies on breeding popular ornamentals such as Dahlias.

As an aside, apart from heirloom cultivars is anybody aware of an initiative similar to Creative Commons for plants? Confused
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ElPolloDiablo said:As an aside, apart from heirloom cultivars is anybody aware of an initiative similar to Creative Commons for plants? Confused


Not that I am aware of. My understanding is that in the case of plants, the system is reversed - currently you need to apply for Plant Breeders Rights (PBR) or similar in order to have a legal avenue if people propagate and sell your hybrids.
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I have attempted to hybridize a lot of Anthuriums, just for fun and to raise the seedlings and see what I might get. Anthuriums are pretty easy to pollinate/cross pollinate, much easier than Philodendrons, Aglaonelas, Alocasias and other aroids (I grow a lot of aroids). For Aroids timing is very important. Anthuriums are easiest because they are predictable, the spadix becomes receptive and emits drops of a nectar substance, if it doesn't get pollinated it dries up and makes pollen. Usually you need both a receptive spadix and a pollen producing spadix at the same time, but some plants will self pollinate and have both on the spadix in just enough of a window to do it themselves. Of something like insects or ants will do it of you.
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Nov 19, 2020 9:15 AM CST

Australis said:

Not that I am aware of. My understanding is that in the case of plants, the system is reversed - currently you need to apply for Plant Breeders Rights (PBR) or similar in order to have a legal avenue if people propagate and sell your hybrids.


Thanks. I am aware of the EU CPVO, which is very expensive for an enthusiast but laughably cheap for huge companies like KWS (which bought out Pop Vriend last year becoming somehow even huger), but not of cheaper avenues for independent breeders.
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Many hybridizers do YouTube videos of the how to cross the plants they are working with, might be worth a simple search for something like that, helpful having those visuals to learn basics.
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Nov 28, 2020 10:04 AM CST
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Thanks Sue. I'll look into some videos Thumbs up
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