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Nov 24, 2020 9:34 AM CST
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Name: aka Annie
WA-rural 8a to (Zone 7b)
Some peonies have several names that they are sold under. Please add those.

Reine Hortense is President Taft
Keiko is Pink Double Dandy
Kinshi aka Chromatella aka Jin Zhi
Kinkaku aka Souvenir du Maxime Cornu or Jin Ge





I have also found a number of other plants sold under several names in garden centers/nurseries.
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Nov 24, 2020 9:20 PM CST
Name: Anya
Fairbanks, AK (Zone 3a)
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That's what I have , maybe not everything is true, I wrote this information whenever came across:
Sorbet aka Eden's Perfume
Wladislawa aka Bowl of Love
Smith Opus 1 aka Misaka (Beautiful Blossom)
Smith Opus 2 aka Takara (Treasure)
Banner Bright aka Fluffy Ruffles
Erma shortened name for Ermenegilda Mantegna
General McMahon aka Augustin d'Hour or Maréchal MacMahon
Goldmine aka Oriental Gold or Huang Jin Lun or Aurea or Golden Wheel or Yokihi
Little Medicine Man aka Dancing Butterflies or Fen Yu Nu
Madame Calot aka Mme. Calot Leonie
Mademoiselle Leonie Calot aka M. Charles Leveque
Marie Jacquin aka Waterlily or Bridesmaid
Noemie Demay ( Neomie DeMay) aka Peach Blossom
Nova aka Olga
Philomele aka Vadius
Charismatic is the same variety as Rose Reverence (double registration)
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Nov 24, 2020 9:43 PM CST
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Name: aka Annie
WA-rural 8a to (Zone 7b)
Thank you Anya!
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Nov 25, 2020 2:36 AM CST
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Name: LG
Nashvillle (Zone 7b)
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Anya, this is a great list! Thank you! Thank You!
LG - My garden grows with love and a lot of hard work.
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Jan 2, 2021 10:44 AM CST
Name: Valerie
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)
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Itoh peony Rosy Prospects was originally named Raggedy Ann, it name was changed in 2013. I bought it only a few years ago, and the tag was selling it as Raggedy Ann.
Intersectional Peony (Paeonia 'Rosy Prospects')
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Canada Zone 5a
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Jan 2, 2021 11:17 AM CST
Name: Top
Missouri (Zone 6a)
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Pecher aka Noemie Demay. Kinda disheartening to see it also called Peach Blossom.

This might also be a good place to keep the frequently crossed varieties, such as:

Bess Bockstoce and Rose Heart

Jubilejny aka Yubileynj (to further add to the confusion, there are two varieties, a Moscow registered (1959) or an older Lithuanian-region traditional - so this is both an AKA and a variety cross Drooling )

I think that we'll discover that there are quite a few really old varieties that have been renamed more than once in order to take advantage of what had been current events.

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Jan 2, 2021 12:53 PM CST
Name: Alex
Toronto, Ontario
Region: Canadian
Jubilejny aka Yubileynj are just a different spelling variations from Russian to English. Should be the same, but I guess it is not.
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Jan 2, 2021 2:30 PM CST
Name: Top
Missouri (Zone 6a)
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AlexUnder said:Jubilejny aka Yubileynj are just a different spelling variations from Russian to English. Should be the same, but I guess it is not.


I've thought that over and there is the name that it was registered under - and everything else is not correct. But we're getting the translated version without the benefit of special characters.

It would be great if we'd use Yubileynj for the Moscow registered version and Jubilejny for the traditional. Or reverse them if that is preferable - but using both interchangeably for two different cultivars is nearing the peak of NEEDLESS confusion.

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Jan 3, 2021 10:24 AM CST
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Name: aka Annie
WA-rural 8a to (Zone 7b)
Top...I was listening to Jim Putnam (Youtuber. He owned both a nursery and a garden center at different times.) talk about this crazy renaming and he predicted that it is not going to stop soon and that he didn't understand it.

I started this thread because I was trying to figure out why 2 very identical photos had different names....then I almost bought 2 abelias that were the same cultivar under different names...guess it was helpful to see the photos and be alerted to this renaming idea.
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Jan 3, 2021 11:52 AM CST
Name: Top
Missouri (Zone 6a)
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Renaming has always been a thing.

I recall reading that a peony named 'Queen Victoria' (and that name should give you an idea about how long ago this happened) was actually a renaming of Whitleyi and was in commerce. Sometime about that time Kelway released their cultivar named 'Queen Victoria' and here we go with two different cultivars with the same name, one of which also now has an AKA name. (The time frame for this was around 1910.)

This story continues a bit... Hollingsworth asked for folks to send in their family grown cultivars and from the mid-west he got a lot of white peonies that were all the same variety. There is no way to know for sure, but it is probably Whitleyi. Anyhow, Hollingsworth sells it under some abbreviated name that I can't recall (and their website is down pending a catalog update).

The reason that I have this tale to tell is that my wife's family has had a white peony that has been handed down since at least the late 1930's. And it appears to be the same plant as what Hollingsworth collected. I also spent a few weeks in the spring visiting cemeteries and if peonies were allowed, every cemetery had at least one example of this white, with some having 5 or 6 plantings of it. Regardless of what commerce is wanting to sell, this nearly unsold white seems to be the most common peony in my area.

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Jan 12, 2021 11:26 PM CST
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Name: aka Annie
WA-rural 8a to (Zone 7b)
Top..so interesting!
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Jan 16, 2021 3:44 AM CST

I have seen Qi Hua Lu Shuang going under several names including Hello Sunshine, Bowl of Beauty and Stunner.
Qi Hua Lu Shuang is one of the many casualties of the rush on Chinese and Japanese peonies of the late XIX century/early XX century I often speak about. Differently from other Chinese herbaceous peonies whose origins (and often original stock) were lost during the turmoil China went through, it remained relatively popular in China and you can still get the original Chinese stock, like I did.

The big problem with Qi Hua Lu Shuang is flower color is never exactly the same on two consecutive years, which often leads people to think the various names are actually slightly different mutants while they are actually just one of the plant's defining characters. Since mine should be mature or nearly so (3 years division plus 8 years in the ground) I am really curious to see if colors will stabilize with age.
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Jan 16, 2021 11:10 AM CST
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Thank you for this information, El Pollo. I have a Bowl of Beauty from a garden center, and it doesn't always look like other BoB I've seen.

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Jan 16, 2021 12:38 PM CST
Name: Shawn S.
Hampton, Virginia (Zone 8b)
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I though, LG, the appearance of central pink petaloids, is one of the ways, you can determine that what you have, is a correctly identified 'Bowl of Beauty'.
IOW 'Bowl of Beauty', doesn't always have blooms, which can appear to look, another way.

Correct me, if I'm wrong.
As I didn't grow it, & only recall mention about it in the past, that the flowers on it may just have an ability to appear differently.
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Jan 16, 2021 2:20 PM CST
Name: Anya
Fairbanks, AK (Zone 3a)
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LG, your Bowl of Beauty looks like Qi Hua Lu Shuang:
http://www.paeo.de/name/index_...

It looks different from Bowl of Beauty registered in APS:
https://americanpeonysociety.o...

I got one from a nursery that does not exist any more and think it is a very nice peony (and fragrant!) but something different:
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Jan 16, 2021 2:56 PM CST
Name: Top
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Your variety is quite nice, Anya. If it is a mistake, it is a happy one.

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Jan 16, 2021 3:03 PM CST

This is my Qi Hua Lu Shuang in either 2018 or 2019:

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The pink can vary a lot between years and sometimes the pure white petals are replaced by cream-colored ones.

I still haven't found a connection between bloom color and growing conditions, so for the moment I am putting it down to either a slight genetic instability or the plant maturing only at an advanced age.
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Jan 16, 2021 4:50 PM CST
Name: Shawn S.
Hampton, Virginia (Zone 8b)
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Thanks for insight on this one, Anya, (for links) & the images too, Elpollo, & LG.

I do know my memory sure isn't nearly, what it used to be.
Years ago, I had considered buying 'Bowl of Beauty', except for what I had considered to be an "anomaly" about a couple of decades ago.
Thanks for setting me straight on that Anya, about the difference between the Chinese cultivar, & APS 'Bowl of Beauty'.

Apparently, then the Database here is full of image errors, for listing under 'Bowl of Beauty' ?

I'd like to find the discussion I had read, so many years ago.

While, HMF shows no images of Qi H L Shuang. There are are a good number of some good Google Images, of it to view.

I wonder, because of the year 'Bowl of Beauty' was registered with APS, if the two aren't related, or a sport.

Beats me, but I do still wonder about it. In spite of seeing two distinctly different images. Each having their own cultivar name.
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Jan 17, 2021 4:36 AM CST

To the best of my knowledge "Qi Hua Lu Shuang" is technically a farmer's variety or landrace, meaning nobody has ever held rights over it and can be propagated and sold freely. This of course hasn't stopped several less than scrupulous nurseries from selling it as their own creation, but these days it's easy to find out the truth and selling as "an ancient Chinese variety" is good marketing and only false to a point (we don't know how old this cultivar is: it may date to the 1870's but that's highly speculative).
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Jan 17, 2021 8:24 AM CST
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I think there are technically only a couple of peonies with legal restrictions to propagation, the only control even over newly released varieties is possession. Actually only one copyrighted one comes to mind, one of the lesser known corals, is it Coral Magic? So anyone who manages to get a root for even the hottest and newest variety is free to rename it or sell pieces of it at will. Not that it should happen—if I had a division of Nate Bremer's Beachcomber to sell I could do it much more advantageously as NB's Beachcomber than Liz Best's Liz's Best or such....and people rightly so would stop buying peonies from me once they realized what I'd done because it's dishonest at the very least and who wants to purchase from a company that would do that? Just my thoughts because it's early in the morning and I'm already bored with nothing but decluttering, minor house maintenance and cleaning to do for the rest of the day....

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