Thanks
@Gina1960 Done, submitted a moving proposal to Tropical forum, so lets wait untill it is reviewed by admin.
Mean while, here is two dark leaved Pipers, both are shruby, non-vine type.
This one probably from South America, thick, deep dark green, verry fuzzy leaves.
This one is a species from Borneo, Thick leaves, dark foliages, there are also silvery form.