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May 4, 2013 10:21 AM CST
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Name: Jo Ann Gentle
Pittsford NY (Zone 6a)
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Last year I planted many allium Purple Sensation.I noticed some have not returned and a few others are small and look short lived.
Has anyone had problems with this variety?
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May 5, 2013 9:30 AM CST
Name: Patti
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I planted some Purple Sensation in 2008 and they seem to all be gone now. I had it listed in my journal as aflatunense which apparently it isn't, maybe it was offended. Patti

From Pacific Bulb Society notes: Allium hollandicum 'Purple Sensation' is a deep coloured strain believed to originate in 1963 from a selection by J. Bijl. It is often incorrectly called Allium aflatunense 'Purple Sensation' or described as a garden hybrid from Holland named Allium Ă—hollandicum 'Purple Sensation'.
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May 5, 2013 9:37 AM CST
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Name: Jo Ann Gentle
Pittsford NY (Zone 6a)
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hmmmmm.Glad to know yours disappeared. I take these things as a personal failure.
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May 5, 2013 9:42 AM CST
Name: Patti
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Failure, never, just a minor bump in our Botanical path. Just think of all the things that we didn't plant that thrive. I am just wondering which one will be my "weed of the year" this season. I have my eye on a few new kids that seem to be going gang busters though I know they were not planted by my hands. Ha, aren't I talented. Patti
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May 5, 2013 9:55 AM CST
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Name: Jo Ann Gentle
Pittsford NY (Zone 6a)
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I also look at the allium fade away as an opportunity for another plant I want but dont have room for.
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May 11, 2013 7:17 AM CST
Name: Brian
Ontario Canada (Zone 5b)
I have Allium Purple Sensation and have had them for at least 6 years. They don't seem to multiply that fast for me but I have had some offspring from them. I also have Allium christophii which has turned into a noxious weed here. I think the key to growing them is lots of sun, excellent drainage and allowing the foliage to die off naturally.
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May 11, 2013 7:40 AM CST
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Name: Jo Ann Gentle
Pittsford NY (Zone 6a)
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Thanks Brian.Maybe clay soil isnt for them.
I enjoyed the abundance last year but dont want to replace what was lost..The July blooming Drumsticks are alright. as are the Globe Masters.
Thanks for the tipon your invasive.Molly Jenine is a pain here.
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May 16, 2013 5:00 PM CST
Name: Julia
Shepherdstown WV (Zone 6b)
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Mine are up and blooming however, the foliage looks like it is dying already. Same with the Gladiator variety. Foliage looks horrible.
They spread quickly here in one of my old garden spots. The newest ones I added was Star Of Persia and the foliage looks fine and this variety won't bloom till later in the spring or so the instructions say LOL.
Julia
Shepherdstown WV
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May 17, 2013 4:21 AM CST
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Name: Jo Ann Gentle
Pittsford NY (Zone 6a)
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I think your allium foliage looks are normal.Some gardeners cut back the dead stuff.I just push it to someplace it wont show.
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May 19, 2016 4:15 PM CST

I planted Purple Sensation in 2014. They flowered last year, but there is no sign of them this year. Enormously irritating, and very relieved that this has happened to others. Won't bbe buying any more.
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May 19, 2016 4:18 PM CST
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Name: Jo Ann Gentle
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maggiemil, Welcome to the website.
I have Purple Sensation and it only lasted in the gardens that were very well drained.
I don't buy allium any more either.
I planted Silver Spring Moooocho bucks per bulb and they only bloomed one year ,then disappeared.
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May 19, 2016 6:05 PM CST
Name: Kabby
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My adventures with allium. Planted Ivory Queen, Ambassador, caeruleum, drumsticks in fall '14. Ivory Queen never showed, one caeruleum bloomed at the level of the soil, all 3 of Ambassador bloomed, drumsticks bloomed well also.
This spring, foliage of Globemaster came up, one rotted. Ambassador foliage up, one bloomed. Schubertii foliage came up during the winter, disappeared this spring without blooming. Drumsticks getting ready to bloom.
How can we all suck at this? Group hug I want allium! Globemasters are NOT cheap. I may just buy more drumsticks in the fall as they seem the most reliable.
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May 19, 2016 6:22 PM CST
South (Zone 8b)
I had 10 allium last year and 4 this year.
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Jun 6, 2016 12:53 PM CST
Fort Worth, TX (Zone 8a)
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I plant my first Alliums last Fall, they sprouted and just stopped.... And few of them did not even came up...
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Jun 7, 2016 2:45 PM CST
Name: Debbie
Manitoba, Canada (Zone 3a)
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The Purple Sensation alliums seem to do well here. I've noticed the Globemaster and Christophii have diminished in size over the years but they still return. Globemaster is now about the same size as my Purple Sensation, both the height and the size of the flower ball. It's too bad the foliage is already dying when the alliums bloom, but that is their nature. I understand there are a few varieties that hold their foliage fresh while blooming, Karativiense is one of them, but it requires excellent drainage to do well.
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Jun 15, 2016 1:22 PM CST
Name: Sandy
Croft, PA (Zone 5a)
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I have purple sensation alliums--I have had them for years. There is only 1 allium that I hate--that is hair allium!
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Jun 27, 2016 12:07 PM CST
Name: aud/odd
Pennsylvania (Zone 6b)
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I cannot believe they sell hair allium! I always thought it was a weed because every garden I have had it comes up and I have never planted the bulb. I wonder if birds drop seed from the woods into the gardens and they grow into a bulb eventually.
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Jun 28, 2016 4:08 PM CST
Name: Sandy
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I traded for it. I am trying to rot it out. I hope it works! Grumbling
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Aug 13, 2016 2:03 AM CST
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I'm sorry that so many of you have had problems with Alliums. It's no secret that commercial growers cultivate Alliums in very light soil and lifts them annualy. This helps a lot in controlling diseases such as fungal rots, but if pathogens are present it may not solve all problems. Pathogens could be both in the bulbs and in the soil.

If the soil is clay consider planting in a raised bed with sandy or even gritty soil or why not in a pot that is protected from too much rain in the winter. In milder areas this could be as easy as to make a light bulb potting mix made of well draining materials such as horticultural grit, sharp sand or similar mixed with just a little compost. Then just place the pot under a roof overhang. No peat based soils please! Personally I have a lot of sand in my potting mixes for bulbs as the soil is nothing but fine sand here and I try to use what I already have, but this wont be as well draining as a bit coarser sand or grit nor will it hold as much air. Or plant bulbs close to a tree or plant them among a low growing ground cover that helps to suck excess moisture out of the soil.

Don't mulch Alliums. Last autumn I did an experiment and planted some Alliums in a semi shaded situation and mulched with some leaves. This would simulate the conditions in a well drained but more moisture retentive soil. We most often have a lot of rain during autumn/early winter, but this year was worse than most, so the soil remained fairly wet until bloom, but still had excellent drainage. I used Allium Ambassador that I previously had some problems with. I suspect that the bulbs had become infected with fusarium or similar. I also tried the white blooming Mount Everest.

Many of the Ambassador bulbs were very disappointing. Some rotted before blooming and others showed signs of rot and were discarded when dug this summer. Mount Everest on the other hand remained healthy, but almost didn't multiply, rather seemed to produce a little larger bulbs than the previous year, but still overall not a great result. So I think the soil matters here. I think that those of you that try to grow in clay soil are up to a real challenge with the more sensitive species or cultivars.

Some additional thoughts:

Whenever I've checked on an Allium bulb that tries to bloom on a very short stem it has been in the process of rotting. It has been too wet and/or attacked by some pathogen.
Also consider that some Alliums are raised from seed and produce few or no offsets so with time the old bulb will die. This is completely normal. I've read that this is the case with for instance Allium schubertii, but haven't been able to confirm it.

Perhaps obvious, but I'd also say one should start out with healthy stock and get it into the ground in time. While storage above ground for summer is healthy for many bulbs, I believe too long storage can induce rot in many species as they become weakened and too dry. Besides they need to grow roots at the proper time.

These Turkestan Onion (Allium karataviense) has grown for several years in this position. A bit more shade than ideal as seen on the elongated stems, but my belief here is that the ground cover of Lysimachia nummularia (a yellow leaved cultivar, don't know which) has helped to keep the Alliums healthy. It should be noted this allium multiply very slowly for me or not at all.

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Apr 19, 2019 3:04 AM CST

I have a good selection of Allium in my garden but whilst I get plenty of leaf growth i get very few flower heads. They have been in the garden for five or six years now and i am now at a point where this year they may be taken out and thrown away. Unless anyone can advise what the problem is.
Paul

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