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Apr 21, 2023 8:22 AM CST
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Name: Anne
Texas (Zone 8b)
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Tiny Tim was always my favorite micro dwarf. I've only worked with few dwarfs over the years; many I just didn't care for, like Micro Tom for example, and Heinz VF is a very fragile breed. But this year I'm working with many new varieties that so far I'm really liking. Their foliage is beautiful, but the #1 thing about dwarfs that I'm enjoying is the fact that they are space savers. I've seriously considered cutting back on doing large indeterminate types and go for more compact types.
My Dwarf list this year:

Fat Frog (micro dwarf)
Tiny Tim (micro dwarf)
Orange Hat (micro dwarf)
Hannah's Prize
Parfait
Wherokowai
Suzy's Beauty
Goldfinch
Heinz Classic VF
Bradley
Chocolate Lightening

What are your favorite dwarfs?
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Apr 21, 2023 9:41 AM CST
Name: Caroline Scott
Calgary (Zone 4a)
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This is my first trial with Dwarf tomatoes.
Growing Idaho Gem a yellow tomato
Johnson's Cherry and Rosella purple.
I am just potting the seedlings now.
They will probably be in house for another three or four weeks.
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Apr 25, 2023 7:56 AM CST
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Name: Anne
Texas (Zone 8b)
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I recently purchased two new dwarf varieties: Puck and Pico's Prize. I'm considering replacing Tiny Tim with Puck. Puck is a micro dwarf around a foot in height but the red fruits are larger and this variety can handle cooler weather. Therefore this one would be a good choice for me to grow at the first of the year instead of TT.
Pico's Prize is a variegated variety. Couldn't help myself. Smiling Its named after a cat though. Hilarious! I had hard time choosing between it and two other variegated dwarfs. Knowing me, I'll end up with all three. Whistling
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Apr 30, 2023 7:37 PM CST
Name: Critter (Jill)
Frederick, MD (Zone 6b)
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My first year trying any of the newer dwarf tomato varieties. I think these will be easier to tuck here and there in the rest of the garden, since they should pretty much fit a standard tomato cage. (I use standard tomato cages in my tomato bed too, but I usually stake the cages for additional support, and indeterminate plants will completely engulf their cages by the end of summer.)

I'm starting with these 3, chosen for their relatively large fruit size.

Pink Passion (oxheart shape)
Rosella Crimson
Sweet Sue (yellow)

I've grown Micro Tom, Tiny Tim, New Big Dwarf, Hanging Basket, and Silver Fir Tree in the past. Micro Tom was (IMO) inedible, and Silvery Fir Tree was pretty sour also. I think New Big Dwarf contributed genes to a lot of the Dwarf Tomato Project lines.

Not sure if Tumbling Tom is considered a dwarf or not, but it's my favorite cherry tomato -- has a balanced "big tomato" flavor.
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May 1, 2023 9:35 AM CST
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Name: Anne
Texas (Zone 8b)
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I agree that Micro Tom was nasty. Will never grow again!

Silvery Fir Tree wasn't sour at all. I had a lot of trouble with it but I hated to lose that variety. Tried to grow it again this year so I could refresh my stock but they didn't germinate. Idk what went wrong.

Sweet Sue is a dwarf I've wanted to get my hands on but I bought Goldfinch as a substitute for now. The potato foliage is dark and pretty.
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May 4, 2023 1:48 PM CST
Name: Evelyn
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TomatoNut95 said: Tiny Tim was always my favorite micro dwarf. I've only worked with few dwarfs over the years; many I just didn't care for, like Micro Tom for example, and Heinz VF is a very fragile breed. But this year I'm working with many new varieties that so far I'm really liking. Their foliage is beautiful, but the #1 thing about dwarfs that I'm enjoying is the fact that they are space savers. I've seriously considered cutting back on doing large indeterminate types and go for more compact types.
My Dwarf list this year:

Fat Frog (micro dwarf)
Tiny Tim (micro dwarf)
Orange Hat (micro dwarf)
Hannah's Prize
Parfait
Wherokowai
Suzy's Beauty
Goldfinch
Heinz Classic VF
Bradley
Chocolate Lightening


No wonder your mother wants to sabotage your tomatoes. At least they are dwarfs! How many tomatoes are you growing altogether?
"Luck favors the prepared mind." - Thomas Jefferson
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May 4, 2023 4:04 PM CST
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Name: Anne
Texas (Zone 8b)
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evelyninthegarden said: No wonder your mother wants to sabotage your tomatoes. At least they are dwarfs! How many tomatoes are you growing altogether?


I never said she wanted to sabotage them. She just wanted to hog space for her peas and beans, which are not doing well. She actually didn't use as much room as she originally made it sound like, so I planted a struggling, puny row of okra.
I have like 18 Hannah's Prizes all potted in 5 gallon fabric pot/bags. Then I have 4 or 5 other plants in a brand new garden box I haven't mentioned on the forum yet. I have 4 more plants in another box where my lettuce once was, then there's others spread out here and there in pots. That includes my micro dwarfs. I don't have an exact number.
I admit I went overboard this year but I'm just truly excited to start working with space saving plants. I'm testing several varieties this year so I can choose which ones to grow through the wintertime potted inside my greenhouse. Smiling
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May 4, 2023 5:06 PM CST
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Name: Anne
Texas (Zone 8b)
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May 4, 2023 5:23 PM CST
Name: Critter (Jill)
Frederick, MD (Zone 6b)
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Beautiful! Will they start producing soon, or not until they reach their full height, do you know?
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May 4, 2023 6:06 PM CST
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Name: Anne
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critterologist said: Beautiful! Will they start producing soon, or not until they reach their full height, do you know?


I've never worked with this variety, so it's hard to say. There are large blossoms almost ready to open on most of the plants. A couple of the plants are stunted because of the heavy sand I put in those pots. I fertilized all the plants this morning so I hope that will speed up the stunted ones. Crossing Fingers!


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May 4, 2023 7:00 PM CST
Name: Critter (Jill)
Frederick, MD (Zone 6b)
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Was the sand to keep your grow bags upright? I've seen people put grow bags into plastic storage bins to give them more structure (several bags per bin).
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May 4, 2023 7:19 PM CST
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Name: Anne
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critterologist said: Was the sand to keep your grow bags upright? I've seen people put grow bags into plastic storage bins to give them more structure (several bags per bin).


No. I used the sand because it was free. Along while I was first potting up the plants I didn't have enough store-bought dirt to work with. Plus, I was trying to save some money. Store bought soil is getting too expensive. Pretty much the rest of the pots, however, are composted of store-bought soil, leaf mulch and ancient chicken litter. Our garden plants just do not like the sand and I don't know why. Plants transplanted into it turn yellow or stunt within a few days of being put into it, so I have to make sure plenty of fertilize is amended into the hole I plant the plant into.
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May 4, 2023 8:23 PM CST
Name: Critter (Jill)
Frederick, MD (Zone 6b)
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If you're using new store-bought sand, maybe it has salt in it?
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May 5, 2023 9:06 AM CST
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Name: Anne
Texas (Zone 8b)
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critterologist said: If you're using new store-bought sand, maybe it has salt in it?


There isn't any store bought sand around here, to my surprise. The sand I mean is free stuff that was brought up from past our house. We had our garden extended this year and the sand was free, so... Shrug!

Today I started seed for Pico's Pride and Puck. Anxious to see how both turn out! Smiling
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May 5, 2023 4:08 PM CST
Name: Rita
North Shore, Long Island, NY
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I just found this thread.

So last year I did grow plants from the Dwarf Tomato Project. I know some people put those in pots but mine were in ground. Not very dwarf as they all overgrew the tomato cages and cascaded back down. But very tasty tomatoes.
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May 5, 2023 8:20 PM CST
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Name: Anne
Texas (Zone 8b)
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Newyorkrita said:
So last year I did grow plants from the Dwarf Tomato Project. I know some people put those in pots but mine were in ground. Not very dwarf as they all overgrew the tomato cages and cascaded back down. But very tasty tomatoes.


Wow! Do you remember what variety it was? Does sound pretty robust for a dwarf.
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May 6, 2023 9:16 AM CST
Name: Rita
North Shore, Long Island, NY
Zone 6B
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TomatoNut95 said: Wow! Do you remember what variety it was? Does sound pretty robust for a dwarf.


Lots of different ones. I know I had Dwarf Speckled Heat, Dwarf Round Robin, Metalica. Andy's Forty, Confetti, Chocolate Lightning and some more.
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May 6, 2023 9:18 AM CST
Name: Critter (Jill)
Frederick, MD (Zone 6b)
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So that 4-5' height prediction might not be accurate after all... odd.
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May 6, 2023 9:51 AM CST
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Name: Anne
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Perhaps it depends on the genetics? I'm not too sure how dwarf tomatoes were first started but I'm sure a lot of them were hybridized at one time or another to create a shorter, stockier plant. Just like people do cats and dogs. I guess if you grow multiple plants of a dwarf variety, save seed only from the shorter of the plants if there are any. I was told that Hannah's Prize reaches between 18-24 inches in height but on the Victory Seed website I saw a picture of a plant that looked taller than that.
When I looked up Bradley tomato under the forums database, I saw pics of the plants that looked like trees. Bradley is a short type. Shrug!
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May 6, 2023 10:11 AM CST
Name: Critter (Jill)
Frederick, MD (Zone 6b)
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Yes, the genetics are for shorter, stockier plants. The Dwarf Tomato Projects used dwarf plants like New Big Dwarf and crossed them with tastier heirlooms, then took the best of the offspring and crossed them, etc. Some varieties may be more stable than others. I wonder if your plants got a lot of nitrogen to push leaf and stem production? Even so, I'd expect longer lateral branches rather than additional height as such...

Maybe we should try to pull @Dave into this discussion (you know, because he has so much free time LOL). He may already be lurking...
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