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Jun 10, 2023 6:49 AM CST
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In my search for succulents that are be and/or hummingbird friendly, I finally decided to add Portulacaria afra (elephant bush).

I've read that it blooms when mature. How long does that take?

Any tips on growing, repotting, or?
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Jun 10, 2023 7:50 AM CST
Name: Donald
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I've been growing Portulacaria afra - both variegated and green - for a long time. Not sure how many years, but a few. It's never attempted to bloom. May be sort of like Crassula ovata or Sansevieria(now Dracaena) trifasciata, both of which grew for a decade or two before I ever saw one bloom. So it may take a while. Not sure what triggered my plants into blooming, either. Subsequent to finally seeing them bloom, both plants have repeated bloom in subsequent years. It might be if you could get a cutting off a plant that has been known to already have bloomed, bloom might come sooner. The Crassula ovata bloomed out of season for hummers. I never noticed them around the Dracaena but I just may not have been there at the right time. They sure visit plants with similar blooms.
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Jun 10, 2023 7:59 AM CST
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If you're trying to attract hummers, you don't need to wait for blooms or get any unusual plants that require winter care. You'll want plants with a looooong bloom time, and/or a succession of blooms consistently throughout the year, like 4'o'clocks, Lantana, Salvia, Cuphea, Coleus, Buddleia, any Asclepias, honeysuckle, just to name a few. There's a huge list of nectar plants in a discussion on the bird forum.
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Jun 10, 2023 9:51 AM CST
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I have a lot of the blooms for hummingbirds. But I like having succulents and a year or so ago some Echeverias bloomed and got constant attention from hummingbirds. So while I have swamped this place in salvia, monarda, Cuphea 'Vermillionaire', Tithonia, Cardinal flower, lantanas, a few Asclepias (planted everywhere I could stick them!), and many more...I would love to beef up the succulents with added utility of providing additional resources hummingbirds and bees. It isn't instead of the basics but rather widening the spread.

I also like the way older P. a. trunks look in the pictures I've seen online... And especially the flowers.

I picked up green and variegated late yesterday. I'm going to repor them possibly in the morning. I'm still checking any and all sources. That's the main reason I posted here since the pictures in the database show a lot of folks seem to be growing it. The more I read about it, the more interesting it got.... Like a lot of plants I guess. nodding
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Jun 10, 2023 10:17 AM CST
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The regular green P. afra is quite common around here. Not as common as the jade plant but definitely the runner up with that growth habit. It is incredibly drought tolerant in the ground, incredibly amenable to pruning (and thus used as a hedge), incredibly easy to start from cuttings of almost any size.

It will grow different in the ground, and it will grow different when pot size is limiting. The potted plants you may have seen with really wide trunks were probably grown to that size in the ground (or a huge pot) and then moved to a smaller size pot (more likely restarted from a cutting) to achieve a dramatic effect. Really wide trunks don't really happen (except maybe over the course of decades) when pot size is limiting.

My advice would be to provide more space gradually and not all at once, and pay close attention to how the plant grows after it is repotted so you know when and how that works best.

The variegated form has a different growth habit, less upright and bushy, more low and trailing. Feel free to prune the green version and shape it for bonsai if that is something which interests you.

Flowering is not something you can necessarily expect. The plants in the ground here will do it most years in pretty spectacular fashion.



My big potted plant (~3 feet tall) has bloomed well some years but not at all in others. I do not understand what is required but it has nothing to do with having lots of abundant nutrients (though surely there is some minimum needed there). I am guessing maybe the weather or the amount of rain we get in the winter might play a role. The flowers attract bees but I have never seen birds stop by.
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Jun 10, 2023 3:04 PM CST
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I can't find anything to suggest how to promote flowering either.

I found a few more varieties than I've seen here:

https://hort.extension.wisc.ed...
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Jun 10, 2023 6:10 PM CST
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That was an informative and well illustrated guide. Apparently the trailing form is the one that people usually grow in the midwest. The one that dominates here is upright or sideways (usually both) but never cascading or trailing. If I put one in a hanging basket, it would soon find a way to jump out. Smiling
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Jun 10, 2023 8:16 PM CST
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Green Grin!

The two I bought are upright. Now I'm looking for the trailing one and the corky bark one. Haven't decided on others.
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Jun 16, 2023 8:12 AM CST
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At Aldi yesterday, they had 2.75 inch pots of cactus/succulents from Timbuk Farms for $2. I nabbed a couple of the trailing version of elephant bush.

Same repotting tips as above our should I allow extra space for sprawling?
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Jun 16, 2023 9:51 AM CST
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The plant pictured is not P. afra but i would not not treat the sprawling form differently in terms of repotting, except maybe once it is big enough to fit in a hanging pot.
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Jun 16, 2023 9:52 AM CST
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Whoops! Wrong photo! Fixed.
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Jun 17, 2023 12:50 PM CST
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Here are the trailing elephant bushes I got at Aldi... Those are bricks underneath for scale

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Jun 17, 2023 2:56 PM CST
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Those are nice and bushy. Strong light will help strengthen those stems a bit. Be careful with full on (outdoor) overhead sun at this time of year, though, especially with a plant coming out of protection. Indoor sun is fine but go slow (step by step) outdoors.

I am curious to see how this works out for you, if you wouldn't mind sending a status update down the road.
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Jun 18, 2023 8:07 AM CST
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Will do

So far I've been unable to find a definitive reference for all the known varieties of Portulacaria afra. But the following article really has me pining for Portulacaria afra tricolor = Portulacaria afra variegata pink!!!

https://moodybloomsco.com/port...

Also, I found the following at Lowes yesterday....

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And this beast with really thick stems...

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Jul 3, 2023 4:28 PM CST
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Here's my latest purchase in this species...

Portulacaria afra 'Medio-picta'
Trade Name: Kaleidoscopeโ„ข
From Lowes (Altman Plants)...

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Jul 7, 2023 9:27 PM CST
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From Lowes (Altman Plants)...

Portulacaria afra 'Snowfall'


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Here is the patent and info:

https://patents.google.com/pat...
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Jul 29, 2023 11:42 AM CST
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I have a lot of these too! I just love them but I've never seen mine bloom. My oldest are 10+ years old.

I have maybe 4 varieties.
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Jul 29, 2023 5:37 PM CST
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Revisiting this thread after some time has passed .... none of the P. afras here are flowering this year at all. Seeing the flower picture above, dated July 11, made me check to see what this July has brought. Absolutely nothing by way of flowers, on my big potted plant and several in the ground in the public garden. You have to celebrate these events whenever nature decides they should happen. Smiling
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Jul 29, 2023 8:36 PM CST
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Is there any change flowering could be tied to rain/watering?
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Jul 29, 2023 10:31 PM CST
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Yeah, maybe. We had a wet winter but have not had any real rain since March. But the potted plant gets water regularly no matter what falls from the sky, and it has also been flowerless.

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