As a comment about Tennessee Coneflower (Echinacea tennesseensis 'Rocky Top'), Bluespiral wrote:

This plant was originally purchased from a local nursery, and we have been enjoying its flowers while deer mosey through, leaving them untouched. I have also been collecting seed for seed exchanges from this flower, and was startled to learn from a very knowledgeable friend that E. tennesseensis was originally considered sterile and did not produce seeds. She thinks seeds that come from this plant might be a result of E. tennesseensis crossing with E. purpurea, somewhere in the past.

Some years, during July - August, she drives through the Kentucky mountains, and over the border in Tennessee, looms a mountain with its peak above the clouds, with this wild flower blooming near its top.

Why did she tell me this? Because I called this flower "boring". The mountain's name is Rarity.

ps - In 2011, E. tennesseensis was taken off the Endangered Species List, although it is still considered endangered by the USDA. According to the Missouri Botanical Garden*, [the Tennessee Coneflower must be isolated several miles from other echinacea species to maintain its genetic integrity.]

*http://www.missouribotanicalgarden.org/PlantFinder/PlantFinderDetails.aspx?kempercode=r430. Last sentence is paraphrased from this link.

pps - Now, how does a sterile wild flower flourish on earth without making seeds for millions of years? Same question might apply to the ubiquitous ditch lily - how can Hemerocallis fulva survive so successfully without making seeds??
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Feb 21, 2024 10:18 PM CST
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Name: Pat
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Hi @Bluespiral
Although it seems hard to believe, all the "ditch lilies" in the world are members of a single triploid clone which seems to be completely self-incompatible. The pioneering Daylily hybridizer Dr. Arlow B. Stout named it 'Europa'. Appropriate name for a plant that has traveled so far!

Because of its rhizomatous habit, it spreads into broad swaths. Pieces of rhizomes and crowns can get caught up in earthmoving and road maintenance activities, one reason for the random patches along roadsides.

The thickness of the rhizomes plus the fleshy tuberous roots and thickened perennial crown make it long-lived when dug and transported, even bareroot. It was dubbed "the homestead daylily" because it was one of the plants settlers would carry with them that survived long journeys.

Stout believed that this triploid form caught the attention of growers in its native Asia for its vigor and propagated it. The double flowered orange H. fulva fulva forms that have also been brought from Asia are also triploids.

Some growers have obtained seeds from 'Europa' by crossing it with tetraploids. One cross was X 'Midnight Magic' yielding 4 viable seeds. The progeny were all solid red like the pollen parent.

H. fulva in its wild habitats is diploid. It produces seeds freely and in fact certain "pink" forms of the diploids became the basis for much of Stout's work to produce a true pink daylily. He came very close. He also hybridized the first red daylilies and the first bicolor.

I guess that's more than enough to write on an Echinacea database! 😄

Pat
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Feb 22, 2024 3:54 AM CST
Name: Karen
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no - not too much info for me. Philosophically, survivability against genetic odds will never cease to amaze me. Without accidents of nature, we'd all still be just one big happy lump of a primordial single-cell.

Karen
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