I have 4 for sure and i think there is another1 i haven't run across yet that i have bought & traded for over the years of Red Lion. and All are different would like to know which is the real 1.
the 1st pics are of 2 that i got last year these 2 have been planted in the very same soil mix and sitting side by side and in mostly all day sun
any help greatly appreciated and i will try to find the other 1 tomorrow and add to the mix
cliff
1 on left came from Ohio and 1 on r is from Chris in Wis





this came from Chris.has a more flat color and bigger leaves




this came from Oh. and has a blue-green edging and more of a satin red



This 1 is close to the 1 from Oh but appears to have a more satiny sheen. this 1 has been sitting about 4 ft away from the other 2 but still in the same area and came from Mi





this 1 came from NY and was sitting in front of the house and got more direct sun over the winter had this 1 about 4/5 years now

Cliff they're all pretty! @banker07 since it is a Euro semp, maybe Peter can help. Mine looks similar to the one you have from Chris, I got mine from Lynn, so maybe Lynn and Chris got theirs from the same source??
@valleylynn @goldfinch4 Very interesting question though Cliff, now I'm curious!

The last photo does not look like Red Lion. So that narrows the field.
The more mature Red Lion rosettes have wide blunt leaves.
Chris's Red Lion looks correct, and appears to be a more mature rosette.
Let's see what Peter has to say.

with Lynn and Greg;

Cliff the Red Lion you got from Chris looks best for being the right one; but the appearance of Red Lion is very different; here are two photos of a Red Lion from the same source:

one rosette growing directly in the soil - 18.04.2010


offsets growing at the stolones and nearly no contact to the soil - 04.05.2011


I don't know anything about the different soil or different weather of those two - the photos are not mine; but I know that the photo 2 shows the same variety because it's been an offset from No. 1;

Peter

Peter I have the same experience with my Red lion. I have seen it go through many changes in shape and color.

This is a progression of photos of the same rosette from 2010 to 2013. Cliff one photo even shows the satin sheen you mentioned. I think age of the rosette plays a big part in how the offset will look. And of course the seasonal change in color.

Gee, I would never have thought that the 3rd photo belonged in the group at all...These pics do a good job of illustrating the spectrum of changes in form and color that occur. I'm amazed at the differences.

Yes Bev - and it shows clear why it is nearly impossible to ID a variety if the label is lost;

Thanks Lynn for the wonderful photo display!!

Lynn,
looking at your pics the first 3 of mine look to be Red Lion. I am going to find a same size or age chick of each 1 and plant in a window box and see how they look like when growing together I also have a odd plant i got from John H (the original owner of Squaw Mt.) supposed to be a hybrid of Red Lion. there is a pic in the data base that says it is a sport of Red Lion, I have had these plants 20 years now. and usually i only get a striped chick from a solid red plant only but this year i am finally getting a striped chick from a striped chick . my striped 1 looks a lot like the Plant sold as New Rhumbea
This is my "John's Suprise










there are a couple more striped in this pot

took these pics yesterday but it rained all day today and i didn't go out
cliff

Cliff that is a nice looking semp! New Rumba is not as large as Red Lion though. Your "John's Surprise" looks larger than New Rumba

I have New Rhumba. It is very different when you see it in person. The texture of the leaves, cilia lining the leaves, and they seem almost frail. I got mine last year, so still not sure what to expect from it. Time will tell.
Red Lion is noted for producing variegated sports. That is another one that is new to me, just got it last year. I have no idea how big it will get at maturity or how well it will reproduce the variegation.
Here is a photo of Patty's 'Red Lion Variegated', yours looks just like hers.

I do love this plant!!

It is wonderful.

gg5 said:Cliff that is a nice looking semp! New Rumba is not as large as Red Lion though. Your "John's Surprise" looks larger than New Rumba

Greg.
My variegated 1 doesn't get that big, Thinner leaves about 3 1/2" across is the largest i have and that 1is a solid color in a 3 gal. nursery pot..The colors are diff depending on how much sun they get 3/4 hrs of morning or evening sun the plants are a bright satin red .All day sun turns a deep burgundy satin red. wasn't able to do anything outside for last 2 days has been rain & more rain.
Now got a ? for you. What is the name of that group of 3 at top of your Avatar and the yellow 1 to the right of them? like those
cliff

The 3 grouped together are 'Abba' the yellow is a NOID

Thanks Greg,
Won't have to look for the Abba tho, I got that 1 from Chris last year. mine is still all green,but starting to form chicks
cliff

Mine did take all last summer and then until this spring to color up!! I'm loving this current shade!

Hi Cliff ~ here are some pics of Red Lion and Red Lion Variegated. They took a beating last winter and I recently divided and moved them. They have the bright shiny red leaves right now, and you can see some of the variegated chicks. The variegated chicks never seem to get full size (as big as the regular ones). I'm going to watch this group more closely this year and see what they do.