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Jan 10, 2018 5:35 PM CST
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Hi,
we are a small farm about 2 acres located on east Long Island and have decided to invest in having our own greenhouse.
We're looking into a gable style structure in the range of about 200 SF and 250 SF.
I've attached here the ones I narrowed down.
They all start at around $10.000 except for the last one listed here, which is less than $5000 sold by ACF.
They say it's supposed to be even better than one of the Cross Country and justifying the low price with the fact that is mass produced in China. The price is tempting me but I don't know if I should trust something made in China.


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Jan 10, 2018 6:10 PM CST
Name: Rj
Just S of the twin cities of M (Zone 4b)
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@MoonShadows has great info!
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Jan 10, 2018 11:13 PM CST
Name: Jim
Northeast Pennsylvania (Zone 6b)
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@thonyc1968 The Grow Span and that first Gothic greenhouse seem like good greenhouses, but I've never seen them upfront and in person. The CT Series is really not a farm greenhouse, and I would stay away from any greenhouse made in China at any price. I notice all of the greenhouses you are looking at have a clear glazing. May I ask why you are choosing a clear glazing?

I am just wondering since you said you are a "small farm", do you sell what you grow, and are you looking at large hobby greenhouses because commercial ones tend to be so large, although those first two could certainly serve a small commercial farm?

One greenhouse that comes to mind is made by Conleys. It is a commercial grade greenhouse, but on a smaller scale. It is extremely well built, has an excellent price, but requires some "building knowledge" to put together, so if you are looking for out-of-the-box, this one might not be for you. (Even though some out of the box greenhouses are hard to put up.) You would wind up with a good sized and durable greenhouse, like you're looking for, at a much cheaper price.

Take a look at Conley's Hobby House at www.conleys(DOT)/pages/hobby-house (Aside: How long does it take to get link privileges?)
This greenhouse is a scaled down commercial greenhouse. It comes in 9, 12 and 18' widths. It is made from the same rolled steel frame that they use make commercial greenhouses. It can be fitted with polyethelene or rigid covers like twin wall polycarbonate. And, since the parts can be nested for shipping, the freight is less than a typical out-of-the-box hobby house.
I had a 1/2 hour conversation with one of their reps just today because I am thinking of carrying their Hobby House on my website. I was quite impressed with what they can offer in quality at a good price. If you want to PM me, I can give you the name of the guy I spoke with and his number. (It's his cell phone, so I don't want to post it publicly.)

Can you explain a little more exactly what you will be using your greenhouse for. Recommendations are tough without more info.
Include:
What size you are thinking of, although the ones you have looked at so far are all different sizes.
Will you be using it for personal or commercial use?
What do you plan to grow?...and will it be seeds to starts or seeds to full maturity?
What seasons do you plan to use it?
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Jan 11, 2018 6:31 AM CST
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@MoonShadows,
thank you so much for your great comments.
Here's some extra information to help you and anybody in this forum to give pin point suggestion.
We are a 13 acre farm, I grow vegetables, flowers and berries on less than 2 acres.
Initially, 2 years ago, the goal of this farm was to produce food for the sole consumption of the owners, 3 siblings with their families and friends.
This coming season we are starting to grow in the fields as well as we are going to have an on site farm stand to sell produce and flowers along with establishing a couple of wholesales accounts.
So far we have been starting seed for transplants at a friend farm, but we have decided to grow out arrangement and have our own greenhouse.
So in choosing what structure and size, I'm considering that we are small with the potential to grow and expand. Yet I don't think we should invest in a commercial size greenhouse because our production volume would not justifie it.
So the greenhouses I looked at and posted here are somehow larger hobby greenhouses and smaller commercial ones.
The size we came up with would be around 200 SF (ideally 10x20)
We would use it to start seedlings for transplanting, though when august comes and there is not much seeding left to do, I would like to remove the benches and grow winter greens as in a cold frame, without heat and with extra row cover protecting the crops inside when freezing.
So the idea would be to place wide removable benches over 30" wide raised beds during seeding season then take down the benches and saw crops from transplant to maturity in the beds.
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Jan 11, 2018 6:55 AM CST
Name: Jim
Northeast Pennsylvania (Zone 6b)
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Sounds like a plan...and an exciting one at that!

Since you will be growing seedlings, I would recommend twinwall clear polycarbonate or clear greenhouse film. Neither is 100% clear, but either will diffuse the light much better which is good for seedlings, and they protect seedlings better from burning or scorching than a clear glass greenhouse.

Sounds like you most likely will need room to grow your greenhouse as your business grows, so I advise looking at greenhouses that can easily be added onto as needed.

Growing winter crops without any source of heat is a real challenge in your climate. I am working on ways to naturally heat my greenhouse. There are also ways to add seasonal insulation without changing the structure of a greenhouse. Cold frames and row coverings are a good idea, and there are more.

I am excited for you and your project(s)! Thumbs up
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Jan 11, 2018 7:20 AM CST
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@MoonShadows, I too was thinking about polycarbonate twinwall for the same reasons you brought up, not so much film.

In one of the classes at the Farmer Training Program at UVM that I took in 2015 I was exposed to growing winter green in a hoop house in Vermont, you'd be surprised about how much you can grow without heat. Yes at some point crops do freeze, but not for as long as if they were outdoors, so when they though out you can harvest again
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Jan 11, 2018 7:36 PM CST
Name: Sandy B.
Ford River Twp, Michigan UP (Zone 4b)
(Zone 4b-maybe 5a)
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I agree about the winter growing -- I've done some experimenting with it and although there can be a month or two when things pretty much die back here, they often start re-growing from the roots as the sun gets higher and the temps moderate a bit. Adding a low tunnel over the planting beds inside the GH or hoop house works even better. This past fall got very hectic for me and I didn't plant anything in the hoop house, but yesterday I was surprised to find that a culinary sage plant and a couple of lavender plants that I grew in containers last summer and then stuck into the GH when I was cleaning up in the fall, have survived the past several weeks of very cold weather -- I guess I should take them some water since they're so determined to live! Smiling
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Jan 30, 2018 8:22 PM CST
Name: Dick Strever
No.Calif amongst the Redwoods (Zone 9a)
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i have the 12x24 growspan from Farmtek, been at least 10 years now
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Jan 31, 2018 8:41 AM CST
Name: James
Fabens,TX (Zone 8a)
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I was very excited to see the pictures of your greenhouse. Kept saying to my self fine looking greenhouse, wonder how long it took to put together. Then the last picture appeared what a heart break. I hope you have recover and so sorry for your loss.
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Jan 31, 2018 4:59 PM CST
Name: Dick Strever
No.Calif amongst the Redwoods (Zone 9a)
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Region: Pacific Northwest Region: California
i put it up by myself the first time, took my time about a week, notice all the strings holding it up in one of the early picts before it gets all bolted together Smiling
had help after the tree fell and the Insurance company bought me a new one
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Feb 2, 2018 11:24 AM CST
Name: Jim
Northeast Pennsylvania (Zone 6b)
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I was thinking along the lines of @Txtea. I was admiring how nice and big your greenhouse looked, and really liking that beautiful piece of property you have. Then, that last picture! I'm sorry you had to go through that, but I'm glad the insurance company covered it and bought you a new one. Did you buy the same size Farmtek the 2nd time around?
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Feb 2, 2018 12:02 PM CST
Name: Dick Strever
No.Calif amongst the Redwoods (Zone 9a)
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Region: Pacific Northwest Region: California
yes Jim i had the Insurance co buy the same one and the price had almost doubled
and as every one says "it is never big enuff", it is now overfilled to the brim
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Feb 2, 2018 10:09 PM CST
Name: Cheryl
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Insurance will cover a greenhouse?! SWEET!
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Feb 2, 2018 10:17 PM CST
Name: Karen
New Mexico (Zone 8a)
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Did you have separate coverage for the greenhouse, Dick. I don't think our insurance would pay for ours but maybe I should check.
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Feb 3, 2018 1:23 AM CST
Name: Dick Strever
No.Calif amongst the Redwoods (Zone 9a)
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Region: Pacific Northwest Region: California
no i did not have separate coverage i have home owners replacement coverage from State Farm
no questions ask they replaced anything damaged except the Tree Smiling
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Feb 3, 2018 5:30 PM CST
Name: Jim
Northeast Pennsylvania (Zone 6b)
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ShadyGreenThumb said:Insurance will cover a greenhouse?! SWEET!


Yes, mine is covered as an "outbuilding" on my property under my homeowners policy.
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Feb 3, 2018 5:50 PM CST
Name: Rj
Just S of the twin cities of M (Zone 4b)
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Even with the replacement coverage, did you have to notify the Ins Co when you put the green house on your lot?
As Yogi Berra said, “It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future.”
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Feb 3, 2018 6:18 PM CST
Name: Karen
New Mexico (Zone 8a)
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I'm wondering the same thing. We already had a well house, garage, workshop and observatory dome listed, but I don't think they know about our greenhouse since it didn't require any permits. I'm sure if we check with them, it will mean more money charged for the insurance.
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Feb 4, 2018 2:07 PM CST
Name: Dick Strever
No.Calif amongst the Redwoods (Zone 9a)
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Region: Pacific Northwest Region: California
no i did not
but an inspector did have to come out and look at everything when we contacted them about the tree falling.

crawgarden said:Even with the replacement coverage, did you have to notify the Ins Co when you put the green house on your lot?
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Feb 4, 2018 2:30 PM CST
Name: Karen
New Mexico (Zone 8a)
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It's wonderful they paid for it, when they didn't even know you had it! I'm not sure my Allstate insurance would do that.
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