thommesM said:I built some new raised beds two years ago. Not sure where I saw this technique, most likely a YouTube video, but I'm impressed with it and I will follow it in a month when I build another new bed. The soil is very loamy and my maters and peppers love it.
Start with a layer of cardboard at the bottom of the bed without removing the sod. On top of the cardboard goes branches, a couple inches of branches. Next a layer of shredded leaves or shredded old straw. On top of that layer, actual dirt/top soil. I then followed that with another layer of shredded leaves/ old straw. Follow that layer with another layer or dirt/top soil. My bed was full at that point and ready for planting. I covered with a layer of straw. Sort of a lasagna bed.
I looked for the branches at the bottom of the bed last year and they were gone. I did have the soil level drop over the two years that it's been in production but I have been topping off with compost and shredded leaves. My only concern is that I do not see worms in the bed, but I don't see worms in any of my beds really which is a mystery.
RpR said:
To me, it makes no sense to put cardboard under a raised bed.
I have compost piles that are years old and I never find worms above the ground level if there are any worms.
When I put leaves on my roses, there are worms right where the ground meets the leaves, including where I have a fabric under the leaves , the worms leave trails right where the fabric meets the ground.
What are the branches supposed to do other than make sure the bed will drop?
One woman on another forum years back put cardboard under her pile and found water pouring out of it around the edge.
She pulled the dirt back and found the card board still intact acting as a barrier.
I doubt very much worms are going to try to bore through cardboard.
RpR said:Thomas how deep is your raised bed?
With the exception of Quack Grass, no grass will penetrate, grow up through, four or more inches of soil.
If you have Crab Grass, I have dug up the roots, true roots, as much as twelve inches underground and they go sideways under and around obstacles for many, many feet.
If corrugated cardboard is good for worms, do as Jim does, but as a weed blocker it just makes no sense to me.
I had worms in the rose bed before but after I started using Eucalyptus and then Cocoa Bean hulls as mulch, when the Euc. was no longer around, I now have a lot of worms in the rose garden soil.
I bury my potato plant stalks when digging them also and if I plant potatoes in the same area the next year, I dig up many large Night Crawlers in spring and when I dig my potatoes in fall.
I also put the leaves from my roses as mulch over the potatoes in spring.
I think keeping them wet or damp where they meet the ground is what the worms really, really like.
RpR said:
If you are going to plant potatoes in that raised bed , and have not done so before, I have been planting potatoes for forty plus years and have found potatoes planted deep, minimum 8 inches have always give the best results.
Potatoes grown under mulch, i.e. no hole dug, just laid on the ground, my dad tried it, and I did it twice was a great
disappointment though far less labor.
thommesM said:Wondering if I'm working too hard. So when you plant deep do you only fill in part of the hole until you see the stems growing and then keep filling in the hole until you have the whole hole filled? I could see the stems growing up 4-5" up through soil but more than that I would start wondering. I mean I'm all about hard work but if I don't have to baby potato plants... so much the better.
RpR said:One thing that makes no sense to me is why they uses branches in their lasagna.
That will tie up N for several years till they are totally decomposed.
What size branches are used, green or dried?
I finally did a more thorough check and unless your beds are moist, worms will not go there.
They must have a moist atmosphere to survive, they die quickly without moisture.
Why you never see them in drier dirt.
If you till leaves into the ground, makes for nasty globby ground for gardening for a few months, but it will have worms in it in short order id there are any around.
If you want worms chop up your card board add leaves and get them wet, then put dirt on top.
Make sure they stay moist.
Red Wigglers, The ones that live in moist compost, as I said, are different from Earthworms and Night Crawlers.
If you are going to add worms to your garden do not just throw them into your raised garden, dig down to the original ground, dig a hole and toss the original soil back in no clumps, toss the worms in when half full, with some form of moist mulch, and then fill the hole .
Make sure it is moist and they will work from there but they will not move up through branches or dry areas until it has broken down to a point they can use and live in it.