I made these:


I expect them to ripen at some point in the future....
How do i go about improvising germination?

Yes, you said without agar etc, but I wouldn't give you much of a success rate. So:
If you think you made a very specific and super special cross, you might want to find a flasking service for Orchids in your area.
https://www.orchidmall.com/sup...
If you are able to work in a sterile lab environment, and try your hands on doing it yourself, you might wish to google Knudson, Orchid germinating mix, and do some reading on how to flask the seeds. I don't think it is that difficult to do and heh, why not try it.
If you didn't make a special cross and you simply played around for the fun of it, you might consider doing it nature's way before we used sterile conditions by hoping that your well established medium contains the correct fungal thread to nourish any emerging seedlings and simply sprinkle the ripe seeds on top of the medium. Years ago I played around with different mosses ( collected on logs in forest) and soil from native Orchids as a medium, but I was never successful. I see a lot of seed pods on my Orchids, especially when growing outside, but I always remove them.

Now if you are on facebook you might want to look up a fellow named Bonaventure Magrys, I remember that he played around germinating all sorts of Orchids, I believe without flasking. He might be able to give you some specific pointers.

I am doing it for the fun of it.. but i do hope i get some better colors maybe IDK. there is no flasking service. I even called up our national botanic garden(i donated about 80 succulent plants there) associated with the biology faculty, for them to say they didnt have such equipment... As for native orchids...i dont know of any, an if there are, they are likely terrestrial like Anacamptis morio...

I suppose many of us start getting curious at a certain stage about growing Orchids "from scratch".

I forgot to mention, at one point I also tried to keep some Cladonia lichen around on top of the medium. No luck.

Think i may use a mix starch and cactus fertilizer.....
Its best i got. I did read up on youtube someone using starch...but thats all i got... no how or why...
I do have a lot of experience germinating cacti. And some succulents(yucca, euphorbia, adenium etc)....
But the formula for those is somewhat straightforward....
I expected the same for orchids but nah...

Pretty much the only chance for success that you have is to send the pods out for flasking. Without the proper process, you stand no real chance for germination and growth.
The orchid seed has no source of nutrients built in, hence the special media is required. You can't "just wing it!"
Orchid seeds are nothing like tomatoes, beans or corn.
You can't reinvent the procedure. It took people years to work it out.

Again, no such service in my country, no probability of mailing it either. Saw something about using gravel and mother plant soil...may try that. Its how it worked in the days of yore, when botany and tropical plant cultivation was still in its infancy...

"Gravel and mother plant soil" might have a remote chance of working for a few seeds, maybe. But I think you are missing the point completely.
Your Phalaenopsis seeds have no such possibility, especially in soil.
You must study and try to duplicate the conditions that they might find in tropical Southeast Asia, not those in the SE Europe.
If you were trying to sow seed from your native terrestrials, that would be better.
Scientists have established a unique relationship exists between an orchid seed and a mychorilhzal fungus. The fungus needs to be present in order to successfully germinate the seed. How do you plan to introduce or collect that fungus to germinate your Phalaenopsis seed? If you were in SE Asia and could spread the seed on the wind and some how narrow that dispersal to a very small area, maybe just maybe a few might germinate. But I doubt it. Yes it happened in their native habitats but not in large numbers.
I can understand your desire to achieve a new hybrid, but Phalaenopsis breeding is now in its seventh, eighth or twelfth generation, hundreds of hybrids have been produced. Quite literally every conceivable color has been produced but if you need to try, then try. But you have to be realistic, your odds of success are so remote. It is never going to happen in my opinion.

Would it cost me much money? Nope. I am not using the fertilizer, and i have plenty of tree bark used as soil. And nobody is even using the starch.. If its a fungus, it must spread via spores...
Would it cost me time? Maybe a little bit, but probably less than cacti and other succulents.
Would i care if I fail? Not really. Ive had poor luck with seeds that i actually bought for cacti and succulents , so no biggie. Seed pods, are mine, already done. If it works it works. I am not into mass producing from seed so...
Why not?

Hey. It is your time to waste.

I agree, what Bill said.
The thing is that Orchid seeds in contrast to say a bean, doesn't contain nutrients to nourish it along through the first stages of germinating. Orchids developed a symbiosis with specific fungi, during seed germination the fungal threads penetrate the protocorm, some actually get digested and so provide the correct nutrients to the emerging seedling. And it has to be a specific fungus! That is were people like Arditti and Knudson came in, recognized this and developed the correct nutrients, replacing those fungal threads.

Playing around with some seeds years ago, I was hoping that the fungus was not as specific, but that was a fallacy.

I grow Bletillas in our front border, years ago I planted them against the house wall. Now I see fat seed pods ripening on those every year. Not once have I seen a seedling emerging, the amount of plants is steadily increasing, but only by corms producing mature plants, ready to bloom that year.

If you feel like curling up with a good paper....
https://www.researchgate.net/p...

Hmmm regarding this....something popped up on my mind a few minutes ago so i thought i shld share it.....using concentrated all purpose plant fertilizer with orchid fertilizer and mixing it with the agar. Not sure if it will work as idt anyone tried b4 but no harm tryin.

Quite probably way too much fertilizer.

Baby orchids, those little sprouts have very tender roots and shoots. The oldest method was mixing a little banana with the agar as a gentle source of nutrients. And instead you are using concentrated fertilizer!! Makes little sense to me.

When germinating orchid seed, a lack of fertilizer was not the issue.

I should have asked this before but what is going to be your source of orchid seeds?
I hope that you have not fallen for one of the biggest hoaxes being perpetrated upon the plant buying public. I am referring to vendors on line "selling orchid seeds". I don't know if you are aware but as I mentioned in this thread three years ago orchid seeds are not like acorns, marigold seeds, peas or bean seeds. The orchid seeds form inside of a "seed Pod". The seed pod is just a protective holder for the seeds. You can not plant a seed pod and get orchids to germinate.

Each orchid seed is no bigger then a speck of dust. How would one plant dust? How could you even see the seed to plant it? Inside a seed pod, you could have 10,000, 50,000, 250,000 specks of dust. Even a million + in some seed pods.
These vendors might be using E-bay to perpetrate their scam on the unsuspecting public. How do you know if they even sent you any seeds to begin with? How do you know if the seeds are even viable? Can you even find them inside of the packaging? You might logically complain to either E-bay or the seller in an attempt to get your money back. But sadly, how can you prove that they did not send you dust? They can claim that "you mishandled the dust. They might just claim that we sent them seeds and he/she just lost them".

I apologize for being so negative, being such a kill joy, but raising orchids from seeds is no easy proposition. Again, Good luck in your attempt!

BigBill said: I should have asked this before but what is going to be your source of orchid seeds?
I hope that you have not fallen for one of the biggest hoaxes being perpetrated upon the plant buying public. I am referring to vendors on line "selling orchid seeds". I don't know if you are aware but as I mentioned in this thread three years ago orchid seeds are not like acorns, marigold seeds, peas or bean seeds. The orchid seeds form inside of a "seed Pod". The seed pod is just a protective holder for the seeds. You can not plant a seed pod and get orchids to germinate.

Each orchid seed is no bigger then a speck of dust. How would one plant dust? How could you even see the seed to plant it? Inside a seed pod, you could have 10,000, 50,000, 250,000 specks of dust. Even a million + in some seed pods.
These vendors might be using E-bay to perpetrate their scam on the unsuspecting public. How do you know if they even sent you any seeds to begin with? How do you know if the seeds are even viable? Can you even find them inside of the packaging? You might logically complain to either E-bay or the seller in an attempt to get your money back. But sadly, how can you prove that they did not send you dust? They can claim that "you mishandled the dust. They might just claim that we sent them seeds and he/she just lost them".

I apologize for being so negative, being such a kill joy, but raising orchids from seeds is no easy proposition. Again, Good luck in your attempt!

I wanted to grow my seed pods by myself, but that ship has sailed and really late to the topic.
Ive used to order cacti seeds online, with mixed results, but did get at least some half decent seedlings.
So id buy from reliable sellers only.
Alas , I am not doing that any more. Dont have the time nor energy to raise seeds from zilch.
Now im strictly mineral specimens and tools online. If I buy plants I do it IRL.