Egads!
So I noticed in the data details for this rose it says thornless or almost thornless with pink flowers, and yet those are not almost thorns :lol:
plus, and, that flower looks red
all I know is, I sure won't hunt it down for a pink thornless
I'll delete the bloom photo. I'll wait to see what you want to do with the other photos, Ruud. I think the rose bush in Belgium must have been misidentified.