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Feb 1, 2020 2:53 PM CST
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Name: Jayce Kaldunski
California (Zone 9a)
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So I posted about this spike earlier, and it has finally opened!! Is it open enough to ID or does it have to be more open??
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Feb 1, 2020 3:51 PM CST
Name: Big Bill
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It is no simple task Jayce. Your question is so simple yet next to impossible to answer.
Australis presents the best hope that you have towards getting a name for your plant.
Species orchids are much, much easier to put an name to it. Species are often easily recognized. Many books and growers are really familiar with species. But with hybrids, and I am almost positive that this is a hybrid, the task to naming them is nearly impossible.
Standard Cymbidium hybrids may in fact be 4, 5, 6 or even 9 or 10 generational hybrids. There are numerous combinations of genes. To try and figure out which hybrid a particular plant is is a very daunting problem. When you cross A with B and raise 10,000 seedlings, there might be 6-8 predominate seedling results. 500 May look like this, 750 like this, 2,000 like this and so on. These guys could all appear similar but not exactly alike.
Yours is a beautiful rose pink color. In the history of Cymbidium breeding there maybe 50 crosses that look like that, maybe 200, maybe 500! They could resemble each other pretty closely, so close that their own mother couldn't pick out her kid! We have software where we could narrow it down a bit but even if we could get it down to 5 or 6 hybrids, there is almost no way to say with any kind of certainty which cross it is. It is very disappointing I know but that is just the nature of identifying hybrids.
The only decent chance that you have, and it is only a slim chance at best, is if this was a product of mericloning. The process by which some orchids are reproduced. Some one could have made a clone of this hybrid, replicating them by the hundreds, if not thousands, and then you have to hope that some one recognizes it.
To sum it all up, unless it is a widely grown cross, you literally stand a one in a million chance of getting a correct name. You might have people say that it could be this, or it could be that, but honestly they can't be absolutely sure.
Just grow it as a pretty plant and forget about a name.
So sorry! 😢
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Feb 1, 2020 7:26 PM CST
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Name: Jayce Kaldunski
California (Zone 9a)
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Thank you so much for the mini-lesson!! I guess I should have thought that through before I asked my question.... D'Oh!
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Feb 1, 2020 7:32 PM CST
Name: Big Bill
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No never! Ask those questions! That's how we learn.
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Feb 1, 2020 7:46 PM CST
Name: Carol
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Jayce, I don't know where you got your Cym, but here we celebrate the lunar new year with a flower festival and every corner near "little Saigon" has Cyms for sale. The Asian growers don't bother with names. If you bought it from a nursery, they might be able to help.
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Feb 1, 2020 8:08 PM CST
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Name: Jayce Kaldunski
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Carol, I got the plant from my grandma who has had it ib her yard in Sonoma County for YEARS. She is now moving into a house hear me, and since they cant stay out year-round here, she asked if I wanted it.
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Feb 1, 2020 8:13 PM CST
Name: Carol
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Ok! I'm not familiar with your area, but if you don't get frost, it should be fine outdoors. A protected area might do.
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Feb 2, 2020 8:49 PM CST
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Name: Jayce Kaldunski
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Carol, it gets down to freezing for about two weeks constantly around here, and then it slowly warms up, with a few nights that can still get down to the 30's.....
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Feb 2, 2020 9:01 PM CST
Name: Big Bill
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Standard cymbidiums flower better with temperatures in the 30-38 degree range. It helps them to set spikes.
You will also see multiple spikes per growth and more flowers per spike. I remember reading and speakers say that 28-32 degrees won't bother them for short periods of time unless they are in full bud! Then you might see a little damage.
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Feb 2, 2020 9:09 PM CST
Name: Carol
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Can you bring it indoors, or a garage for those nights? They do need cool nights to initiate blooms, but I don't think they would deal with frost. Most of my orchids can stay outside if under cover of trees, shrubs, awnings. We rarely see frost on the ground..a bit on the rooftops and icy windshields is our occasional cold. Some of the older Cyms. are more tolerant than others, but mine are older.
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Feb 2, 2020 9:16 PM CST
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Thanks for the photos, Jayce. I don't immediately recognise it, but will have a think about it. If you can get a few more photos once the blooms are fully open, that would help.

It would also help to know how old you think the plant is and where the spike is emerging from (is it coming out between the leaves, or is it coming from the base of the bulb?).

Are the flowers fragrant at all and if so, what time of day do you notice it?
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Feb 2, 2020 9:23 PM CST
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Name: Jayce Kaldunski
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Australis said:Thanks for the photos, Jayce. I don't immediately recognise it, but will have a think about it. If you can get a few more photos once the blooms are fully open, that would help.

It would also help to know how old you think the plant is and where the spike is emerging from (is it coming out between the leaves, or is it coming from the base of the bulb?).

Are the flowers fragrant at all and if so, what time of day do you notice it?


The flowers aren't fragrant, I've tried smelling them at different times today, but so far there hasn't been anything...

The flower spike is coming from the base of the bulb. I am not sure how old the plant is, but there are about 20 pseudobulbs, and the entire pot is filled with roots, so a repot will be happening this spring...
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Feb 2, 2020 11:46 PM CST
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Thanks Jayce. Not surprised that they aren't fragrant (the flower doesn't look like it has any of the fragrant species in its near ancestry and hybrids bred for the round shape don't have any). The basal spike habit rules out a few near ancestors as well.

I'll have a think about a possible ID.

Let me know if you would like some tips regarding repotting it.
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Feb 3, 2020 10:00 PM CST
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Name: Jayce Kaldunski
California (Zone 9a)
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Australis said:Thanks Jayce. Not surprised that they aren't fragrant (the flower doesn't look like it has any of the fragrant species in its near ancestry and hybrids bred for the round shape don't have any). The basal spike habit rules out a few near ancestors as well.

I'll have a think about a possible ID.

Let me know if you would like some tips regarding repotting it.


I would LOVE some tips!! I repotted my other one last summer, but am always welcome to tips and tricks!!!
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Feb 3, 2020 10:47 PM CST
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Hi again Jayce,

Unfortunately I have been unable to put a name to your Cym with any confidence. There are too many similar pink-reds from the past few decades for me to be sure of its identity.

Since you mention it has 20 bulbs, do you plan to divide the Cym? How many of the bulbs are leafless? I would recommend having no more than a third of the bulbs leafless when you repot it (and you can pot up the spare backbulbs to try to get more plants). If you're able to provide a few more photos of the plant overall and how it is situated in the pot, I can probably provide a few more suggestions.
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