Ardesia, Thank you so much, didn't even know that they existed. My last resort was going to be contacting NC State, now I can go look and speak with someone. Also, I agree, looking at species is way better. Beats driving around to small nurseries not seeing anything, they all seem to have the same stuff that flowers. We will be adding flowers on a more focused area etc. just don't need a 45 foot hedge/screen to drop flowers in masses to blow in pool. I will add some pics as I go, suggestion will be taken. Trying to make my wife her own oasis and we love Jamaica so as tropical as I can get for our zone. Thanks Again, just told wife we have plans this weekend. Ed