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Jul 7, 2020 3:58 PM CST
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Hey guys,

I'm going to the garden centre to get more plants tomorrow (!) and was wondering what you thought about repotting?

Should you always repot straight away? If so does the mean moving the plant to a bigger pot or simply taking it out, removing the soil from the root ball and putting it back in your growing soil? If the plant isn't too big for its pot and the pot has drainage does it make more sense to give it a year and then repot it?

Thank you!
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Jul 7, 2020 4:04 PM CST
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See this thread:

https://garden.org/thread/go/1...

Feel free to share photos here if you would like advice about specific plants.
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Jul 7, 2020 9:05 PM CST
Name: Paula Benyei
NYC suburbs (Zone 6b)
In short... No.
If it ain't broke don't fix it.
If you buy plants and decorative pots at the same time, they should be very close to the same size
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Jul 7, 2020 10:35 PM CST
Name: Stefan
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Yes. Most default soil is plain bad. Bigger pots are a no-no.
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Jul 7, 2020 10:43 PM CST
Name: Paula Benyei
NYC suburbs (Zone 6b)
Stephan I adamantly disagree. the fact the plant is doing well enough to be sold is proof the soil was ideal for its previous growing conditions. There is absolutely nothing inherently wrong w the soil any plant comes in.
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Jul 7, 2020 10:45 PM CST
Name: Stefan
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Turbosaurus said:Stephan I adamantly disagree. the fact the plant is doing well enough to be sold is proof the soil was ideal for its previous growing conditions. There is absolutely nothing inherently wrong w the soil any plant comes in.


Previous growing conditions often involve greenhouse and lots of fertilizer. Doesnt mean the soil is good for the average grower in household conditions which are less than ideal. On top of that, most are actually grown by cuttings. One thing is having them transported and stored, another is having them thrive.
Please do consider that
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Jul 7, 2020 11:17 PM CST
Name: Paula Benyei
NYC suburbs (Zone 6b)
Yes, or course... you are exactly right! We're going to take them home and change everything

and by some substrate miracle you will compensate for the changes in greenhouse level heat sunlight and Humidity by adding an additional variable? Change soil?

Why would disrupting roots (in addition to the existing air and light disruptions) be beneficial? Yes, we do ask plants to make serious mods to adjust to their new homes.. the idea changing one more thing could possibly be better for the sake of more change is prima face incorrect
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Jul 7, 2020 11:26 PM CST
Name: Paula Benyei
NYC suburbs (Zone 6b)
How did WillC avoid this thread? I bet it was the spelling error/autocorrect in title
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Jul 7, 2020 11:55 PM CST
Name: Stefan
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Turbosaurus said:Yes, or course... you are exactly right! We're going to take them home and change everything

and by some substrate miracle you will compensate for the changes in greenhouse level heat sunlight and Humidity by adding an additional variable? Change soil?

Why would disrupting roots (in addition to the existing air and light disruptions) be beneficial? Yes, we do ask plants to make serious mods to adjust to their new homes.. the idea changing one more thing could possibly be better for the sake of more change is prima face incorrect


I change my plants into this

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Its not going to magically fix everything, but better soil will help fix most problems regarding humidity and watering. Also, greatly reduces pest outbreaks.
Or underdeveloped roots (like in the case of most euphorbias) do grow better in new , coarse soil, then the default muck and dust.
The disruption is necessary, for long term survival. A plant can survive 2 weeks without water, and 3-5 weeks more while developing roots, but it cant survive high humidity in its soil for more than a month.
That silly notion like yours "the default soil is magically better" is a fallacy that turns plants into decaying compost. To put it simply, default soil is the product of mass production of plants. It lacks the specifics and makeup which more suited for most individual plants, especially cacti and succulents.
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Jul 8, 2020 12:03 AM CST
Name: Stefan
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To add up: there is also the fact that some of the plants are improperly potted
exhibit A:
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An aloe thats potted too deep, BY DEFAULT!. As in, its prone to rot.
Exhibit B
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Overwatered
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Aug 7, 2021 7:06 PM CST
Name: Paula Benyei
NYC suburbs (Zone 6b)
Why would you claim that aloe is potted to deep? And that somehow it should be obvious?
I disagree completely

Explain that assumption to me so I can refute it absolutely.

The leaves are sagging down because there is insufficient light, the plant open to expose more flesh to collect limited light. Clearly they can sag down because the stem is high enough out of the soil to allow it. There is NOTHING wrong with that potting
The plural of anecdote is not data.
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Aug 7, 2021 7:18 PM CST
Name: Paula Benyei
NYC suburbs (Zone 6b)
I'm not sorry for being so firm in my response, but I am sorry Its necessary to respond to Stephan that way..

I was new at this a long time ago. I got the same contradictory advice, and because theres nothing I can do about the sun, I chose repotting and fertilizing and fungus treatments and different sized pots or different materials and flushed hundreds of dollars and hours of effort down the drain, because the knowledgeable people who knew better weren't forceful. They gave me their option and someone else gave me a different option that was more do-able, or less money, and I had to learn by experience, all of those easy outs were just a waste of money and effort.
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Aug 7, 2021 7:59 PM CST
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I agree with Stefan, the soil level is too high on that aloe. The bases of the leaves are below ground level. A recipe for rot. Not good.
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Aug 7, 2021 8:34 PM CST
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Aug 8, 2021 1:28 AM CST
Name: Stefan
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Turbosaurus said:Why would you claim that aloe is potted to deep? And that somehow it should be obvious?
I disagree completely

Explain that assumption to me so I can refute it absolutely.

The leaves are sagging down because there is insufficient light, the plant open to expose more flesh to collect limited light. Clearly they can sag down because the stem is high enough out of the soil to allow it. There is NOTHING wrong with that potting


Leaves dont sag because there is insufficient light, that causes etiolation

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On the photo ive shown you though, there isnt obvious damage because of low light(rosette is still compact), but the leaves are bloated and look like its going to burst. If the situation were normal, there should be a layer of dead leaves down there. Where is the layer?
As for the aloe, baja stated pretty much what is wrong with that- the meristem tissue, the growth point of the aloe, the rosette center, is below the soil. The tissue there is soft, weak. Not meant to suffer weather(this is what aloes do in nature, they shrivel to protect it from the elements, as do most rosette plants like semps and aeonums). Now imagine exposing the most important part of the plant to fungi and bacteria born in soil, paired with humidity.
Like I said, plants are grown in ideal conditions- their life cycles with sun and water is set to fast, and the soil would need to match. For households, you cant match the sun(the most important ingredient) so you need to adjust the other 2 factors. Watering , long term, you can administer more in summer, less in winter, but the soil....well that peat stuff sometimes turns hydrophobic. So it wont let the plant drink when it needs to, but when it doesnt it becomes a sponge. Which is why you ought to change it to better stuff asp to mitigate these effects.
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Aug 8, 2021 1:34 AM CST
Name: Stefan
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Also, did you ever find netting near the roots? Because i have///
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mine own soil

For reference the small factory pot is about 4cm wide(1,3 inches)

The black pot is 8 cm wide(3,2 inches) .
This is a 4 month difference.
And these are the results. The euphorbia next to it hasnt budged since sping, in its DEFAULT soil.
I deal with empirical evidence(the repeatability of an experiments outcome). Refute this.
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Aug 15, 2021 5:26 PM CST

I always do, especially those from the Home Depot or Lowe's. Wash them too. I found that one of the cactus was even glued to the pot. It also gives me a chance to look at the root too. I find that a lot of them are in the wrong type of soil.
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