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Nov 1, 2020 3:48 PM CST
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Name: Larry
Hill Country TX (Zone 8b)
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I'm always looking to propagate natives on my property, especially those with pollinator interest. Early last month, I discovered I had an Evergreen Sumac on the corner of the lot and it was getting lots of interest!. I've tried researching both the Plant Database here and other sites, but I thought I'd pose a couple of questions here in case anyone knows or has practical experience.

Supposedly these can have red berries. Mine flowered just fine (still has a few actually) but I've never seen any berries. Not sure if there are male and female varieties? I did inspect the plant yesterday and there were a couple dozen black, hard balls about the size of BB's that I thought could possibly be ripened seeds? My desire would be to collect some seed and winter sow them. But I'm not sure if these are seeds or not.

Anyone have any experience or knowledge on this plant?

Thanks,
Larry
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Nov 1, 2020 9:35 PM CST
Name: Donald
Eastland county, Texas (Zone 8a)
Raises cows Enjoys or suffers hot summers Region: Texas Plant Identifier
Rhus virens aka Evergreen Sumac. Everything I can find shows small red fruit up to 1/4" in diameter. All the photos my search turned up showed red fruit, but they were all still on the plant. To me, that would leave open the question of whether they retained the red color when they were completely cured (dry) or not. What shouldn't change is the presentation of how those seeds are displayed. All the photos showed a sort of loose spray of seeds that had followed the blooms. If what you are seeing shows that configuration, then you are probably seeing either thoroughly dried seeds or seeds that blasted and dried up instead of maturing. I would suspect immature dried seeds which wouldn't be viable. I would think the blooms from earlier this year still might retain some color and any from an early fall bloom set to be fairly bright if they were viable. It could be the plant needs a pollinator that wasn't handy if it bloomed, or has male or female plants and yours is a male, or it may be it has to reach a certain stage of maturity before it will set seeds. Since it is apparently popular with some birds etc., the seeds it produced this year may have been stripped off before you were looking for them.

I'm trying to grow a small clump of three Diospyros texana aka Black Persimmon or Texas Persimmon or Chapote. They bloomed, but not well and didn't set any fruit. They are either male or female so it's possible all three are males and will never set fruit. They are still in the establishment phase of life here and also on a marginal northern range for cold tolerance so it remains to be seen how successful they will be as plants here.

Good luck!
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Nov 2, 2020 2:50 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Larry
Hill Country TX (Zone 8b)
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Thanks Donald. I'm going to continue to monitor the remaining blooms and have been harvesting some of what appears to me to be possibly the seeds. I'll do some wintersowing of them and see if I can get any seedlings come spring...if not, maybe try the cuttings route.
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Nov 14, 2020 7:34 PM CST
Name: Linda Williams
Medina Co., TX (Zone 8a)
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Any fruit from this season should be reddish-orange. I collected some late last year, I believe. The last half of this year has been droughty...don't think I've even seen any blooms this year.
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Nov 21, 2020 3:27 PM CST
Name: tfc
North Central TX (Zone 8a)
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For years I wanted an Evergreen Sumac but none to be found. Thus I would be envious that anyone has one but since I'll be selling my house in the relatively near future, I will just wish you 'happy growing'.
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