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Feb 20, 2021 1:17 PM CST
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Hello, again sempervivum cultivars sold under the BigSam trade name. Do you know what are the real names?
Thank you in advance

site : vitroflora.pl sorry I'm not allowed to post the link ;-)

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Feb 21, 2021 10:36 AM CST
Name: Mark McDonough
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Hello Mumm02, can't find much on these, except when using Google Images, one can find those same images, and they source back to both Poland and Russia. Found a wholesale plant distributer in the Netherlands serving Europe (named Plant Estate), that lists those BigSam tm semps. Unusual is that they're using USDA hardiness which doesn't make sense for Europe. Not sure if Trade Mark laws in Europe follow same rules as USA. It is possible to go direct to Trade Mark naming so there's no way to tell if these are rebranded existing semp cultivars or direct-to-TM. In the USA, the true cultivar name (if there is one) is supposed to be on the plant label along with the TM name.

The name BigSam makes me wonder why that name. Could it be in reference to Big Sam, a very famous English football (soccer) player for 20 years and 25 years as coach and manager.

Partial view of a wholesale plant listing in the Netherlands
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Feb 21, 2021 10:53 AM CST
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Nice researching Mark.

Hi Mumm02, and welcome to the Sempervivum forum.
You can contact https://www.vitroflora.pl/ and ask for information on these semps.
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Let us know what you find out.
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Feb 23, 2021 8:26 PM CST
Name: Nathaniel
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I found this one these today. It's not all of them, but should at least get us pointed in the right direction.
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Feb 24, 2021 12:33 PM CST
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Great sleuthing Nathaniel. I added the new information to 'Kalinda', 'Red Beauty' and 'Commander Hay'.
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Feb 24, 2021 12:39 PM CST
Name: Nathaniel
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Now to figure out the rest. Thinking
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Feb 24, 2021 12:45 PM CST
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Yes, I looked at the Baizas site, seems like they are doing a lot of renaming plants.
Keep up the great work. Hurray!
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Feb 24, 2021 3:29 PM CST
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Chick Charms serve as example for sempervivum, I would not be surprised more will came up their own names.
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Mar 6, 2021 3:09 AM CST
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Thank you all for this valuable information Thumbs up
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Mar 6, 2021 10:25 AM CST
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Mummo2, thank you for asking the question that led us to to finding answers. We have a great team here that love a challenge. Smiling
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Mar 25, 2021 4:21 PM CST
Name: Melissa Hopper
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Sometimes I should just not open threads.

How many more people are going to pop up renaming old cultivars and trying to convince us they are something new and wonderful?

I would be really MAD if I bought Powder Grenade only to find out is is really Commander Hay! Really mad!
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Mar 25, 2021 4:45 PM CST
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Probably the noid commander Hay too! I agree
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Aug 3, 2021 2:10 AM CST
Name: Nathaniel
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Here are the actual names off all of this series.
https://svenmagnussen.de/wp-co...
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Aug 3, 2021 4:59 PM CST
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Thank you Nathaniel. Looks like the names are remaining the same.
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