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Feb 27, 2021 9:32 PM CST
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Name: Top
Missouri (Zone 6a)
Dahlias Daylilies Hummingbirder Irises Region: Missouri Peonies
Seed Starter Zinnias
I've read about nematodes and how a water treatment exists but it seemed very difficult to implement. But I've thought about it, and think that anyone one of us could manage to home treat our peonies if needed.

Here is the background info...

"If the water is kept at 45°C (113°F), root knot nematodes will also be killed. But still higher temperatures above 45°C will damage the roots. To keep water at such constant temperature, one will have to heat up a large amount of water where temperature rises and drops happen only very gradually, and keep the water moving around. In the Netherlands this is usually outsourced: some professional companies do this hot-water-treatment for the growers. Special machinery is made for this."

Treatment time is 60 to 120 minutes with larger roots getting more time.

Sous Vide cooking involved heating water to very precise temperatures. The price of Sous Vide devices has gone from thousands of dollars to around $60 for a fairly good unit and 45°C is a temperature that a device could easily maintain. However, the water for a sous vide device cannot be contaminated with soil or muck but this is not a large obstacle.

The solution would be to get a 1/2 gallon or 1 gallon silicon bag, put the root into the bag and add water - you are trying to have no air in the bag. Then place the sealed bag into the water and heat it with a Sous Vide device to the correct temp and maintain it for 90 minutes or so.

Obviously the production scale would be very modest, but you might also find that you like Sous Vide cooked foods :)

Hopefully no one ever needs this!

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Feb 27, 2021 9:49 PM CST
Name: Alex
Toronto, Ontario
Region: Canadian
Interesting information, Top. Thanks and let's hope we will not need it.

Not that I have it, but what is the treatment of the soil to get rid of nematodes in it?

I remember that to get rid of the lawn grubs they suggest using beneficial nematodes. Are they the same or different ones?
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Feb 27, 2021 9:55 PM CST
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Name: LG
Nashvillle (Zone 7b)
Butterflies Garden Photography Hostas Hummingbirder Peonies Region: Tennessee
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Avoiding root nematodes is a good reason not to buy peonies from eBay or Etsy. These folks may not know what those knots on their roots are, and you will plant them and in a few years may have infected some of your valuable peonies growing nearby.

Hopefully we won't be stewing our peony roots, Top.
LG - My garden grows with love and a lot of hard work.
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Feb 28, 2021 6:41 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Top
Missouri (Zone 6a)
Dahlias Daylilies Hummingbirder Irises Region: Missouri Peonies
Seed Starter Zinnias
Repeatedly tilling the soil is the solution, Alex. Sunlight kills them. So bringing them to the surface is the fix.

EDIT: If you were in a hurry or didn't wish to till over and over, digging the soil out and fanning it across a tarp for a day or two sounds like a fast fix.

I've also read in these forums about people that have moved a peony 2 or 3 times and can't get it to grow well. Maybe a water treatment is in order since typical methods are not working.
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Feb 28, 2021 11:01 AM CST
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Name: Liz Best
Columbiana Alabama (Zone 8a)
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I think that original post was from Joshua from The Peony Nursery Holland on FB, right? That was an interesting conversation! I do think your idea would probably work. Have you encountered nematodes on your peony roots?
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Feb 28, 2021 12:09 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Top
Missouri (Zone 6a)
Dahlias Daylilies Hummingbirder Irises Region: Missouri Peonies
Seed Starter Zinnias
Liz, I took the text from:

https://www.peonyBsociety.eu/f...

No, I have not seen any evidence of nematodes. The only problem that I have had is powdery mildew. But when I read this, I guess that I started worrying about how I could handle if it were to happen. We recently got a sous vide cooker and my mind returned to this problem.

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Feb 28, 2021 1:29 PM CST
Name: SoCal
Orange County (Zone 10a)
Lazy Gardener or Melonator
I've been using baking soda and water on my Sarah Bernhardt, it seems to be doing ok, perhaps I see new shoots that were dying a couple months ago.
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Feb 28, 2021 6:47 PM CST
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Name: Liz Best
Columbiana Alabama (Zone 8a)
Annuals Winter Sowing Plant and/or Seed Trader Peonies Lilies Irises
Hummingbirder Dragonflies Dog Lover Daylilies Bee Lover Birds
Maybe Joshua copied the text from the peony society post, I remember reading it and thinking that I was glad I didn't realize they cooked my roots before sending them, would've hesitated to order them from Europe.
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Mar 1, 2021 5:06 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Top
Missouri (Zone 6a)
Dahlias Daylilies Hummingbirder Irises Region: Missouri Peonies
Seed Starter Zinnias
Here is some non-peony specific info:

http://ucnfanews.ucanr.edu/Art....

This one is a bit more focused on seeds...

https://infonet-biovision.org/...
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