I lost my instructions for creating a three petal bloom on a desert rose plant. Does anyone have detailed instruction on how to create a three petal blossom from a single petal one? I believe it was to graft two single ones to each other then graft 2 more singles to get a three petal bloom. I am not sure just how the process is to be done (do first graft and wait, 2nd graft and wait etc.) Assuming I was able to get a three petal bloom, would a graft from that plant be a 3 petal bloom also? Is there a limit on how many petals you can get by grafting? If I grafted a two petal plant to another two petal one, what would I get. I am looking for any information on this topic and would appreciate any help you can provide

@Wildbloomers and @2Manyplants

I am new to grafting so not sure about this.

RobertFJameson said:I lost my instructions for creating a three petal bloom on a desert rose plant. Does anyone have detailed instruction on how to create a three petal blossom from a single petal one? I believe it was to graft two single ones to each other then graft 2 more singles to get a three petal bloom. I am not sure just how the process is to be done (do first graft and wait, 2nd graft and wait etc.) Assuming I was able to get a three petal bloom, would a graft from that plant be a 3 petal bloom also? Is there a limit on how many petals you can get by grafting? If I grafted a two petal plant to another two petal one, what would I get. I am looking for any information on this topic and would appreciate any help you can provide

As per my understanding, grafting will not produce a new species, grafting will let you have exactly the same characteristic of the flower/plant from where you get the scion from.

For new species / characteristic, you need to do a cross pollination, and then grow the seeds, not a guarantee on what you will get, you just need to grow all the seeds and see whether you are lucky enough to get some new species.

Kaktus said:

As per my understanding, grafting will not produce a new species, grafting will let you have exactly the same characteristic of the flower/plant from where you get the scion from.

For new species / characteristic, you need to do a cross pollination, and then grow the seeds, not a guarantee on what you will get, you just need to grow all the seeds and see whether you are lucky enough to get some new species.

That's my understanding too. You can graft different colored scions into a multi-branch desert rose.
I have one with 5 including the rootstock.

@GigiPlumeria and @RobertFJameson.
Sorry that I didn't get to this sooner, but too much going on.
As the consensus above indicates, multi petaled adenium are not produced by grafting, only reproduced. They are a genetic mutation and aren't produced by mechanical manipulation. The first attached article is quite old but does indicate how one could develop their own line of multi petaled flowers from seed. Essentially you take a single flower with color, shape, size that you like and use it as the seed parent. Then take a multi petal flower that has a good shape and use it as the pollen parent. The resulting progeny (according to the article) will be ~15% multi petaled the color of the seed parent, ~50% multi petaled the color of the pollen parent and the rest single petaled. If you then cross the 15% with its multi petaled siblings or parent you can start getting large numbers of multi petals the color of the original single petaled flower. Note that this takes a while because you have to grow the plants to blooming size and sexual maturity. This is why grafting is so popular.

https://www.siamadenium.com/ar...

The second article is a study of variability/heritability in Adenium and explains why this is a good method to produce the results that commercial hybridizers (not grafters) are looking for. It's a little technical but worth reading.

https://www.researchgate.net/p...

Thank you @Wildbloomers for sharing these articles! Interesting!

I have tried 10x already but not successful I will keep trying. Can I copy and paste this in the hand pollination thread? So it is available there as well?

GigiPlumeria said:
That's my understanding too. You can graft different colored scions into a multi-branch desert rose.
I have one with 5 including the rootstock.

This means if a scion is from pink flower plant and grafted on to white flower root stock , the color will be pink?

Aashna said:

This means if a scion is from pink flower plant and grafted on to white flower root stock , the color will be pink?

Correct, the bloom of the cutting you grafted will be the same color. Normally herr white is not common. So you graft white blooming cutting into the pink rootstock not the other way around.

Although I was able to buy a blooming seed grown that has single petal white and a double petal white grafted.

Still kicking myself for not getting the seed grown single petal yellow.

GigiPlumeria said:Thank you @Wildbloomers for sharing these articles! Interesting!

I have tried 10x already but not successful I will keep trying. Can I copy and paste this in the hand pollination thread? So it is available there as well?

@GigiPlumeria. Of course you can re-post the info. Also, another tip for you is that the flower needs to be open a day or two before attempting to hand pollinate. It seems that either the pollen isn't ripe or the ovary isn't receptive when the flower first opens. At least that's how it appears to me.
And thanks for the nut prizes!

@Wildbloomers. Maybe that is what I am doing wrong, using the early bloom thinking it has a longer chance to germinate.

Thank you for all your posts to my question. Just to clear up one thing. If I graft a triiple flower scion to a single flower plant, what would the results of the graft be? A triple flower with a mix of the color of the scion and color of the single flower plant?

the graft will continue to grow as triple flower (as long as it is never cut off) .... the seed from this graft may be: sterile, something else entirely, or just like the triple original

You asked "what would the results of the graft be? A triple flower with a mix of the color of the scion and color of the single flower plant?" There will be no mix of colors. The graft (triple flower) will be the same as it always was, all subsequent flowers above the graft will be just like the graft. Any growth from the base below the graft will only produce the original color single petaled flowers.
The only way to get different colors is through sexual propagation.

GigiPlumeria said:

Correct, the bloom of the cutting you grafted will be the same color. Normally herr white is not common. So you graft white blooming cutting into the pink rootstock not the other way around.

Although I was able to buy a blooming seed grown that has single petal white and a double petal white grafted.

Still kicking myself for not getting the seed grown single petal yellow.

Then how do we get double color flower ?

Can you share a pic of your above mentioned plant

GigiPlumeria said: @Wildbloomers. Maybe that is what I am doing wrong, using the early bloom thinking it has a longer chance to germinate.

Even I was trying on fresh ones