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Jan 11, 2022 11:43 PM CST
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Good Day everyone!

It's been awhile๐Ÿ˜Š. Been busy rearranging my plants. I have a few questions regarding philodendron varieties/ID.

I bought some cuttings of philos, ie..dark lord, red emerald,giant/golden tail. With dark Lord, what I see from others, the leaves have a heart shape and reddish color while the one I have is elongated, the leaves are green, underside, slight reddish coloration.

Same with red emerald, the ones I saw from others, the leaves are heart
shaped. I'm not sure with leaf color.

With the giant/golden tail philo, I asked the seller about it, she said that's what her supplier told her with the name. I tried searing it on Google, I see only, golden dragon tail, crocodile tail.


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Last pic is what she called giant/golden tail.

So I'm not sure if what I bought is really a dark lord, red emerald or it's completely different. Same with giant/golden tail. Unless, it is a golden dragon tail๐Ÿค”

Thanks much!
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Jan 12, 2022 6:24 AM CST
Name: Gina
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I can;t be positive, but the first Philodendron is possibly really Dark Lord. Just very very juvenile. They don;t take on adult form until larger. This is an aggressive large growing climber, just be ready for that
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The Golden Tail you have is a mature form of Epipremnum pinnatum, its not a Philodendron
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Jan 12, 2022 7:30 AM CST
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@Gina1960

Oh, thank you!
Wow! That's very big dark Lord.๐Ÿ˜Š๐Ÿ˜. Well, as long as it's a slow grower๐Ÿ˜. If not, I can always sell it๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿค”๐Ÿค”๐Ÿค”.

What about the red emerald? Do you have a pic of red Anderson philo? What I see in google is all confusing & mixed up๐Ÿ˜”
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Jan 12, 2022 7:59 AM CST
Name: Gina
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I do have a photo of a juvenile and an older Red Emerald. I will post it later. I don't own Red Anderson.
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Jan 15, 2022 8:46 PM CST
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@Gina1960

Thank you Gina! Will tell my seller about the giant tail๐Ÿ˜Š๐Ÿ˜.
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Jan 17, 2022 5:57 PM CST
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@Gina1960

I'm seeing different varieties of epipremnum pinnatum, like marble, mint, Albo aurea. So looking at the pic above, I'm guessing it's an aurea?๐Ÿค”๐Ÿ˜Š
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Jan 17, 2022 5:59 PM CST
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@Gina1960

Epipremnum pinnatum is also a pothos? Or a different type but they just look the same? Because I think, pothos when it's very old, the leaves gives some fenestration at some point?
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Jan 17, 2022 8:04 PM CST
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Epipremnums are epipremnums. Pothos is a completely different genus.
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Jan 19, 2022 8:30 AM CST
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But pothos is the most often used nickname for E. pinnatum.

This is a common occurrence for so many plants there were once in one genus but moved to another, like Aralia, Croton, Geranium, Vinca, and very recently, Philodendron.
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Jan 23, 2022 10:57 PM CST
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I've been checking about epipremnum pinnatum and pothos and whatnot. I just recently chatting with a seller selling a giant Cebu blue pothos. Upon reading from Mr. Google, comes the confusion again. Some says it's a pothos, some says it's epipremnum pinnatum. And some says epipremnum pinnatum is a pothos also. ๐Ÿ˜”๐Ÿ˜”
And variegated Cebu blue pothos.
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Jan 24, 2022 7:33 AM CST
Name: Gina
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Its not a Pothos. Back in the 1800's Epipremnum pinnatum and Epipremnum aureum were mistanekly placed into the genus Pothos by a misguided naturalist. This mistake was eventually corrected but it was too late. Everyone identifies them as 'pothos'.

Actually, when it was first introduced, Cebu Blue was mistakenly classified as a MONSTERA, not a pothos.

The true Pothos are appressed climbers (shinglers) that do not resemble Epipremnums in any way, shape or form
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Jan 24, 2022 9:02 AM CST
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The plant database on this site lists "pothos" as a common name, and several synonymous botanical epithets:
Pothos (Epipremnum aureum)

E. pinnatum is a similar but separate species. Some might do it but I haven't noticed this being called pothos as a nickname.:
Devil's Ivy (Epipremnum pinnatum)
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Jan 24, 2022 10:34 AM CST
Name: Gina
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Many people in FL call pinnatum pothos, Tiffany
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Jan 24, 2022 2:39 PM CST
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Thank you. ; ) More evidence that I need to spend more time in FL.
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Jan 25, 2022 9:23 PM CST
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Thank you all the for explanation ๐Ÿ˜Š๐Ÿ˜Š.
Since that giant golden tail is epipremnum pinnatum, they still have this name added like, yellow flame, mint.

Thanks again!๐Ÿ˜Š๐Ÿ˜Š
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Jan 25, 2022 10:02 PM CST
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I think your Dragon tail is Epipremnum aureum ("Golden Pothos"), the most commonly available Epipremnum on the market.
There are also Yellow variegated Epipremnum pinnatum, but a little different than that one.
In my country at least variegated E. pinnatum are not so commonly available at the moment, the white variegated one are the least expensive, followed by yellow, then there are rare variety here and there, (mostly unnamed or unofficially named, local variety like Epipremnum Hanoman, or Epipremnum Kujang, and few more).
Variegated E. pinnatum Cebu Blue is highly prized here

https://agrozine.id/mengenal-e...
Screen shot from that page, showing What was named Epipremnum Hanoman
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https://biggo.id/s/epipremnum+...
Screen shot from that page, showing What was named Epipremnum Kujang (Yellow Flame)
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Jan 25, 2022 11:03 PM CST
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Woooowwww!!! ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜ Soo beautiful โค๏ธโค๏ธโค๏ธโค๏ธ

Thank you for clearer explanation about that giant Tail๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜. ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘

Thank you everyone!!!๐Ÿ˜š๐Ÿ˜š๐Ÿ˜š๐Ÿ˜š
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Jan 26, 2022 7:10 AM CST
Name: Gina
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Bim2011 said:Thank you all the for explanation ๐Ÿ˜Š๐Ÿ˜Š.
Since that giant golden tail is epipremnum pinnatum, they still have this name added like, yellow flame, mint.

Thanks again!๐Ÿ˜Š๐Ÿ˜Š


I don;t believe there is any valid cultivar of Epipremnum called 'mint'. The only plant that 'mint' has been accepted and registered as a cultivar named 'mint' is Monstera deliciosa. All the other terms you are using for Epipremnum may be made up and not actually registered as bona fide cultivars with the International Aroid Society. @Bim2011 sellers MAKE UP THESE NAMES in order to sell more plants. So that you think you are getting something new and different, not the same old plants
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Gina1960 said:

I don;t believe there is any valid cultivar of Epipremnum called 'mint'. The only plant that 'mint' has been accepted and registered as a cultivar named 'mint' is Monstera deliciosa. All the other terms you are using for Epipremnum may be made up and not actually registered as bona fide cultivars with the International Aroid Society. @Bim2011 sellers MAKE UP THESE NAMES in order to sell more plants. So that you think you are getting something new and different, not the same old plants

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Jan 26, 2022 7:58 AM CST
Name: Gina
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tofitropic said:I think your Dragon tail is Epipremnum aureum ("Golden Pothos"), the most commonly available Epipremnum on the market.
There are also Yellow variegated Epipremnum pinnatum, but a little different than that one.
In my country at least variegated E. pinnatum are not so commonly available at the moment, the white variegated one are the least expensive, followed by yellow, then there are rare variety here and there, (mostly unnamed or unofficially named, local variety like Epipremnum Hanoman, or Epipremnum Kujang, and few more).
Variegated E. pinnatum Cebu Blue is highly prized here

https://agrozine.id/mengenal-e...
Screen shot from that page, showing What was named Epipremnum Hanoman
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SPOT ON TOFI.
I can;t count the number of plants over the years that have been 'renamed' and sold under new names to dupe the plant buying public into spending more $$$ on the same plant that they probably already own. Its the way the industry operates. They have to rename and repackage things that really are old, not new.
https://biggo.id/s/epipremnum+...
Screen shot from that page, showing What was named Epipremnum Kujang (Yellow Flame)
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