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Aug 20, 2022 7:12 AM CST
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I've kept many tropical houseplants in the past, but this most recent foray into this hobby is the first time I'm really starting to take it seriously. That being said, I'm still a total beginner and not interested in deep dives into the finest details of complex tropical care just yet until I get a hang of the basics.

I've bought a few houseplants to get started, including a monstera, a prayer plant, turtlevine, pothos, elephant ear, and rubber plant. I'd like make them a decent potting mix based on the ingredients I have available to me, which are as follows:

- sphagnum peat moss
- miracle gro all purpose potting mix
- "jungle mix" fir and sphagnum peat moss combo
- coarse sand
- garden compost

As a beginner, I'm not really sure how the needs of these plants may differ and how it applies to garden mix, and I'm not sure what ingredients I should use in what ratio. I've tried to do my own research, but there seems to be a lot of debate on what should or shouldn't be included (especially compost... seems there's heavy debate on that one) and most recipes I found online have upwards of ten ingredients each at a not insignificant cost, which just feels a bit too complex for me to start with.

I'd really appreciate some ideas on how to use these ingredients to best effect and if there's anything else that I really absolutely NEED for the soil. I've heard a lot about charcoal and worm castings, for example, but I don't know how much of a requirement it is.

My climate is humid in summer but very dry in winter (toronto). I'd rather make an airier mix with better drainage that requires more watering if I'm understanding what info I've gathered so far correctly, its better to do if you have the time.

Thanks in advance!
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Aug 22, 2022 10:38 AM CST
Name: Alice
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I would ditch the Miracle Gro potting mix, I have never had any luck with that, it just seems too heavy. There are plenty of excellent quality potting mixes that come out of Canada like Fafard, ProMix and Sunshine. I only add amendments if a specific plant needs them. Anything from US based Fox Farm is excellent although I would add some perlite to lighten up their Ocean Forest mix. be sure to stay away from mixes with moisture granules, they may work fine during the summer but they are terrible when you have to bring plants in for the winter.
Good luck with your planting.
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Aug 25, 2022 5:54 AM CST
Name: Gina
Florida (Zone 9a)
Tropical plant collector 40 years
Aroids Region: Florida Tropicals
If you are growing aroids (I grow literally hundreds of aroids) I would not use the coarse sand or the sphagnum moss (unless you are using the sphag AS the substrate). Sand tends to compact, much like peat moss. If you are going to have to use the fir bark sphag combo, and not just straight fir bark, don;t add extra sphag. Sphag within a potting mix can hold water in one place (where the strands of moss are) and that localized moss can cause root rot.
A good basic mix for aroids that would also work for your rubber tree and 'prayer plant' (Calathea? Maranta? Ctenanthe?) would be 40% potting soil, 20% fir bark,20% perlite or pumice or LECA, 20% compost. If that seems to heavy, tweak the perlite or perlite substitute.
You can also get creative and use stand ins. If you have access to styrofoam packing peanuts, you can chop them and use them as a substitute for the perlite. If you have access to a quantity of hard nut shells, they can substitute for fir bark.
If I were going to use compost in addition to potting mix, I would try and find a potting mix that is manufactured without added fertilizer
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Aug 27, 2022 6:32 PM CST
Name: Sally
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Be careful about reading* specific 'recipes' but try and understand what any component does when added.

Example, people used to say put rocks into potted plants and help the water drain out. Well, if you put marbles into a bowl of pudding, you still have wet pudding, with marbles in it. That is sort of what happens when you add a few rocks to a pot of too-heavy potting mix.

I do OK with Miracle Gro but may add extra pumice. Also do OK adding fine pine bark mulch from Ace Hardware to my Miracle Gro or other peat potting mix.
Other growing factors will play against or with the mix such as relative size of pot and plant, pot material, environment, how heavy or skimpy you tend to be with water... I hazard that even how much you press the soil in when you repot could make a difference.

*If you find discussions by tapla / Al on Daves Garden or other forums, he is a good source.
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Aug 27, 2022 6:51 PM CST
Name: Gina
Florida (Zone 9a)
Tropical plant collector 40 years
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The recipe for the aroid mix mine is loosely based on is the mix that is used at the Atlanta Botanical Garden for all of their aroids terrariums and vivariums. If you buy it readymade, its called ABG mix. But I tailor the basic mix they use to my own ends
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Aug 27, 2022 7:23 PM CST
Name: Sally
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You might be able to read on this site, the first two threads are informative (if the link opens as I think it will)
https://davesgarden.com/commun...
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Aug 28, 2022 6:18 AM CST
Name: Gina
Florida (Zone 9a)
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@Lemonmoon, nothing that you will read on Dave's Garden or on any other gardening site (including this one) or that anyone on this site can tell you can replace this basic fact: There is no 'one size fits all' potting mix for every plant.

Each plant needs to be addressed separately and the thought process that should go into the selection of your potting materials should vary plant by plant.

The plants you have decided to start with aren't very exotic in their requirements. All of these grow here for me planted in the ground in nothing but our native sand. But for houseplant culture, you should look into where your plants actually come from naturally and try and duplicate what they have in the wild.

Monstera and Epipremnum aureum and like weeds in nature. The epipremnum will grow practically anywhere, even in the salty sand at the beach. Monsteras are hemiepiphytes. They will grow in soil, with no soil as an epiphyte, and can also grow in nature in wet areas that are almost bog like.

When you say 'elephant ear', you need to be more specific. Alocasia? Colocasia? Xanthosoma? Those are the 3 most common 'elephant ears' besides Caladiums that are sold for houseplants. For Alocasia, your choices should be tailored to the actual type or species. Colocasias and Xanthosomas are, again, like weeds. They will grow in dirt, in a bog, or in a pond.

Marantas come from the deepest darkest reaches of the rainforest floor where the soil is a loam made up of decayed plant material.

Rubber trees are standard terrestrials.

I have a plant collection of approaching 2500 plants that I have collected over theist 35+ years. None of them are houseplants, they either grow out in the yard or in a greenhouse. I don't use any special mix for anything except my aroids, and then, the choice of substrate is made according to how the plant grows naturally in the wild. Terrestrial, epiphyte; lithophyte; hens-epiphyte. Bot for most except the lithophytes, the ABG mix is a great mix
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Aug 28, 2022 6:30 AM CST
Name: Gina
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One final thought: you should also take into account your own level of involvement with your plants and your own personal watering habits. Are you available to care for your plants on a daily basis? Have a lot of time? Maybe tweak your mix to be more porous and water more frequently. Have many outside commitments that might make the time you spend on your plants less? Maybe tweak to retain a bit more moisture so you have to water less frequently
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Aug 28, 2022 7:40 AM CST
Name: Sally
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Not to diminish ardesia's or Gina's advice, but just to say, only the very most inappropriate choice will be a certain death for most plants. And don't assume a set it and forget it mentality. As Gina said , you can adjust care to compensate for soil choice, to some extent.

Down the road, consider just buying a really top mix like ardesia suggested and don't play with individual components on your own, unless you find it fun to experiment. Thumbs up
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Jan 11, 2023 2:26 PM CST
Name: Al F.
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There are different perspectives from which the appropriateness of container media are viewed, but primarily there are two. One is from the perspective of the grower, which often goes like, "If it can last for 2 or 3 weeks w/o my having to water again, it's good". The other is from the perspective of the plant. IOW, what will best allow the plant to realize as much of the genetic potential it was endowed with by Mother Nature. When the two perspectives collide, it's much like having a discussion re what type of pot is appropriate. One person chooses pots for their pretty color or because they're plastic and therefore light, while from the plant's perspective, low fired clay or even a pond basket or plastic colander would be much more conducive to root health.

Getting back to choosing or making a medium, there is one question, the answer to which will help any grower decide if the grow medium is appropriate. The question is, "Can I water this planting to beyond the point of complete soil saturation, which would be so the medium is as wet as you can make it and water is draining from the drain hole(s), without the soil remaining wet or soggy for an interval so long root health or root function is compromised?" If the answer is anything but yes, the plant would benefit from an upgrade.

Whether or not a grower can water correctly w/o the plant having to pay an over-watering tax in the form of loss of potential and a reduction in vitality makes a very convenient point of delineation regarding whether a particular grow medium is suitable for the planting the grower intends to establish, or not.

Not only does a grow medium that can be watered correctly eliminate or significantly decrease the likelihood of over-watering and increase the margin for grower error (except for in the case of under-watering), it also makes fertilizing monkey easy and allows the grower the opportunity to retain complete control over the plant's nutritional needs; whereas, plants growing in overly water-retentive media are often watered in small sips in order to avoid over-watering, a practice that unnecessarily compromises the grower's ability to manage nutrition as effectively as in media which can be watered correctly. The typical nutritional issues that stem from watering in sips to avoid over-watering are a accumulation (build-up) of dissolved solids (salts) in the soil that can inhibit water and nutrient uptake, and a badly skewed ratio of nutrients, each to the others, that causes assimilation of some nutrients to be deficient, even though there is an ample supply of nutrients in the medium. Example: The build-up of phosphorous from using 'bloom-booster' fertilizers for containerized plants can cause deficiencies of potassium, calcium, iron, copper, and zinc. It can also cause excessive uptake of magnesium at the expense of calcium, which must be in the nutrient stream at adequate levels at all times if cells are to form normally. The takeaway here is, there is an optimum balance (ratio) of nutrients in the soil and watering in sips to avoid over-watering can quickly skew that ratio to levels that limit the plant's potential.

What primarily drives water retention in container media is the size of the particles that make up the ingredients. If you build/buy a medium based on all or a very large fraction of fine materials (peat, coir, compost, sand, composted forest products, .....) you'll almost certainly be battling the medium. If, however, your medium is based on a very large fraction of coarse material (pine bark, pumice, Haydite, Turface MVP, scoria, crushed granite, ....) and only includes enough fine material to bring water retention up to a point where watering intervals are acceptable, the medium will be working FOR you.

You'll notice I didn't recommend any particular medium or provide a recipe, this, because it's easier to agree on the concept of what makes a good soil as opposed to agreeing on a recipe. I do have recipes, but let's see if we can embrace a concept first.

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Jan 11, 2023 4:27 PM CST
Name: Gina
Florida (Zone 9a)
Tropical plant collector 40 years
Aroids Region: Florida Tropicals
Sorry didn't have tome to read the book in the last post, but @sallyg and @ardesia you are both right on the $$. What you mix into your own 'personalized' mix depends on what your needs are, and your growing conditions, and your watering habits, and the specific plants.

I like to keep all the components available, so that I can mix custom mixes on a 'per plant' basis because one size does not fit all
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