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Sep 4, 2022 8:54 AM CST
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What do you folks use for a pond vacuum?

I don't need one for quite a while; I'm just thinking ahead.

I have looked at a lot of pond vacuums from low end to high end, and the one thing I don't like is that in just about every case, the water is expelled from the pond and has to be replaced. To me, it would seem that once you are finished cleaning the pond, an awful lot of water will have been expelled.

It got me to thinking. Why couldn't a pool filter be used to collect debris, filter it, and return the water to the pond. I started looking for people who may have tried this, but found little to no information, so I am wondering if it is a practical idea?

So, what do you use? Can you mention pros and cons of your method? Thanks.
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Suction power is always the problem with standard pumps. Standard water pumps are usually made to move water in volume, not provide a lot of force. There are exceptions with a lot of head, though.

Most pool vacuums I've seen are just glorified shop vacs with big, inefficient systems for producing lots of suction. You could almost certainly run the output of any of them back to the pond if you could get enough filtration in the loop, but if you have a lot of silty sediment it can muck up filters pretty fast (or slip through back into the pond).

I don't have a solution for this myself. I drain and manually dredge every few years. I have an overflow in one pond that has to be disassembled and cleared out yearly because it silts up from the large number of plantings in there, and the curious koi that are always digging in them.

I'd be interested to see what other solutions people are using.
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I did pretty much the same thing as psa. I never used a vacuum. After all, I was trying for a beautiful koi/goldfish pond and not a pool for me to swim in.
Did I get debris, of course. But I got myself a pair of waders and removed debris by hand. My pond was 9' x 15' and 30" deep. I had inverted plastic boxes, the kind that gallons of milk came in at a supermarket and installed them in the middle of my pond. I had a large piece of slate on top to keep the milk crate in place and then place plastic tubs with irises and pond lilies on top.
I was of the opinion that the best way to keep my pond clean was by having an excellent filtration system. I had both mechanical and biological filtration. The original pond package that I purchased did not have an adequate sized mechanical filter so I got a bigger one. This would keep my pond crystal clear, so much so that you could easily see a dime sitting on the bottom of the pond!
But most of my debris was fallen leaves or from when a heron or raccoon might tip over a lily pot. All in all, this system was great for the 33 years I had the pond on Long Island. I even had croaking Green Frogs and a Bullhead catfish in there. He grew to about 3 pounds in size!!!
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Sep 5, 2022 9:02 AM CST
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Thanks for the feedback, Paul and Bill.

I used to have one of those cheap above ground pools that are sold in the big box stores. It had a filter that sat outside the pool. Water ran into the filter from the skimmer and returned via an inlet near the bottom of the pool. When I wanted to vacuum the pool, I would disconnect the hose at the skimmer and attach it to a vacuuming wand. It did a good job of removing any sediment and leaves without returning anything to the pool. However, I realize a pond is a different beast and would never be vacuumed as often as a pool, and the volume and consistency of the removal would be much different than a swimming pool. Guess that's why no one is writing about it on the internet and there are no YouTube videos about it.

BTW, for all the "expensive" pond vacuums being sold out there, it seems like the companies selling them are mainly the ones telling you how good of a job they do. My reading of what folks say who actually own pond vacuums is they are not as impressive as the advertising for them.

I did read that a pond needs to be cleaned (or vacuumed) once a year (once again info from pond vacuum makers/sellers), but if you are good at removing leaves and other stuff that blows into the pond on a regular basis that that cuts down tremendously on decaying matter, that a thorough cleaning can probably be updated to every 2-3 years, something closer to the schedule you mentioned, Paul.

Bill, I think waders would be a great tool for working in the pond and have thought of buying a pair. My pond size is similar to yours. 10x15 with a max depth of about 32". It's hard to figure the total volume as the bottom varies and the width and depth of the shelf surrounding the pond varies. I am guessing somewhere around 1600-1800 gallons, but that is a very rough estimate. I am putting rocks and gravel on the shelf that surrounds the pond for planting, but do not plan to put rocks or gravel in the bottom...my thinking is that would facilitate cleaning when I do need to clean the pond. BTW, I do not plan to plant anything in pots with dirt. All plantings will be directly into the gravel or pots with Microbe-Lift Aquatic Planting Media. (The latter is what I use in my small, filtered pond.)

I may be "worried" about something that won't be that bad or difficult to deal with. Keep in mind, I don't have any mechanical filtration. I am trying to keep this pond as natural as possible since it is down in my food forest. I do have two pumps. One is electric that goes to a small spillway and pumps at about 900 gph with the rise according to the company's figures. I put a bag of bio balls in the spillway, but they are by no means enough as the chamber is small. I have a second solar pump that pumps at about 600 gph, but it only pumps when the sun is out. With the pumps, I am mainly using them for aeration/keep the water moving. I have also started to add plants that will eat up nutrients such as water lettuce (about 2 dozen), frogbit (a dozen), and hornwort (a dozen clumps). I plan to add a lot more plants, but probably not until spring. Everything I read about natural ponds is the first year is a greenwater/algae nightmare until you can get enough plants established and growing.

Well, I started collecting flat and flat"ish" rocks from all over the property. Rocks are our Number 1 crop here in PA, so there are plenty. Next up, now that I finished the spillway stonework will be to add rocks and gravel to the shelf and hide the liner with rocks. I have a long way before I have to worry about my first major clean out, but I like to think ahead.

If anyone else has input, I sure would appreciate hearing from you. Thanks!
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1600 to 1800 gallons is pretty accurate.
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Sep 5, 2022 9:32 AM CST
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Actually I am off. I remembered what formula I used for figuring on gallons.
Width in inches by length in inches by depth in inches divided by 231 square inches per gallon.
If I did the math right, your pond is 120 x 180 x 32 or about 3,000 gallons +/-.
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Sep 5, 2022 9:38 AM CST
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BigBill said: Actually I am off. I remembered what formula I used for figuring on gallons.
Width in inches by length in inches by depth in inches divided by 231 square inches per gallon.
If I did the math right, your pond is 120 x 180 x 32 or about 3000 gallons +/-.


The 10x15 includes the shelf that surrounds the entire pond and is anywhere from 12" to 18" wide and varies in depth from 4" to 12", which would bring down that 3000 +/- gallons quite a bit.

I came up with the 1600-1800 when I took the length and width times the average depth of the deep part plus the length and width times the average depth of the shelf.

Easier to see before I filled it:
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Well you can figure how many gallons by measuring the bottom part first. Say it is 6x 9 and 24 deep.
Then measure the top part, say it is 10 x 15 and 9" deep. Multiply each, divide by 231 and then add the two parts together for total gallons.
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That's what I did to get the 1600-1800 gallons.
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Sep 5, 2022 12:01 PM CST
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Okay Jim. Just making sure!
It sure will be fun filling that baby with all kinds of cool stuff!! Sweet!
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Thanks, Bill. Always appreciate help from those that have been there, done that, and own the t-shirt!

I'll keep the thread updated with progress, problems, and questions as I move forward.

Nice to know I have experienced folks to bounce things off of. Makes doing it for the first time easier.
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Sep 12, 2022 10:43 AM CST

I have a water garden about 8,000 gallons with varying depts from 1 foot to 4 feet. I use the Pond Guy clear vac and love it since I can get into the bottom of the deepest end where a lot of debris end up. I do it about 2 times a year, spring and fall. I also have a small floating filter to help catch floating leaves, etc. Yes, the vac does remove water but is easily replaced. My biggest regret is that I didn't put shelves for planting, so I made my own using larger rocks glued together with spray foam and filled it in with small gravel. The kind of gravel sold in pond stores is very expensive, so I found out using landscaping gravel from garden centers much cheaper and you get more for your money. My plants are doing great and get nutrients from the pond and in spring put in some fertilizer for aquatic plants. I might add that the spray foam at first looks funny but very quickly is covered by algae and not noticeable.
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Thanks for this information, @CATCNTY46. I will look up that vacuum.
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MoonShadows said: What do you folks use for a pond vacuum?

I don't need one for quite a while; I'm just thinking ahead.

I have looked at a lot of pond vacuums from low end to high end, and the one thing I don't like is that in just about every case, the water is expelled from the pond and has to be replaced. To me, it would seem that once you are finished cleaning the pond, an awful lot of water will have been expelled.

It got me to thinking. Why couldn't a pool filter be used to collect debris, filter it, and return the water to the pond. I started looking for people who may have tried this, but found little to no information, so I am wondering if it is a practical idea?

So, what do you use? Can you mention pros and cons of your method? Thanks.


We connected an automatic cleaner during pool installation to make the job easier. Since this looks like outside the house, I recommend using a deep leaf net to remove most of the leaves. Using a pool vacuum and dumping that much debris into your filter will quickly clog it. I also have a pool at home, and we scooped the debris out manually with a leaf net before using our automatic pool cleaner.
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