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May 31, 2023 11:08 AM CST
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Would like to propagate our Wave Petunias and wondering if it's necessary or beneficial to dip the cuttings in rooting compound. Have heard mixed things about rooting compound and I've propagated many plants without it.

We were going to plant the cuttings in raised bed soil or coir + raised bed soil, and keep covered with plastic wrap in the shade.

If you suggest rooting compound, which do you recommend?
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Jun 1, 2023 1:30 PM CST
Name: ZenMan
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Hi TreeSong,

There are several rooting powder products available. I have used a liquid product called Dip'N Grow to successfully start zinnias from cuttings.

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Jun 4, 2023 9:10 AM CST
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Thank you. How many stem dippings can you get from the 2 oz kit and how long is it shelf-stable?

Also I'm wondering if rooting compound is needed at all. I once grew some cuttings with and without Clonex rooting compound and there was almost no difference in results.
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Jun 4, 2023 9:10 PM CST
Name: ZenMan
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Hi TreeSong,

" How many stem dippings can you get from the 2 oz kit and how long is it shelf-stable? "

I wasn't counting, but the Dip'nGrow box says "This bottle treats up to 2000 cuttings". I used it over a period of years with no noticeable decline in its effectiveness. I never approached 2000 cuttings, but the stuff seemed to be fully effective from one year to the next.

" Also I'm wondering if rooting compound is needed at all. I once grew some cuttings with and without Clonex rooting compound and there was almost no difference in results "

I have no experience with Clonex and I don't have any rooting experience with petunias. My experience is, that with zinnias, the cuttings will eventually strike roots, but with the rooting hormone the process is a lot faster and more extensive. I would expect the situation with petunias would be similar. I root my zinnia cuttings under a transparent dome under fluorescent lighting.
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The 100% humidity under the dome keeps the cuttings from wilting before striking roots. Thumbs up

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Jul 6, 2023 2:17 PM CST
Name: Al F.
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Most plants with a tendency to grow 'viney' are very easy to clone. If you look in the axil (crotch formed by the leaf petiole and the stem it's attached to, you'll probably see embryonic branches which are suppressed by a chemical produced in the tip (growing end) of the vine, like these on the Mexican petunia (not a petunia) Being prepared for propagation:

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Do you see what look like small leaves in the crotch formed by the leaf stems and the branch? Those are branches.

Prepare the cuttings:
Cut the bottom immediately below a node with a very sharp tool.
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A #11 scalpel is only a couple of bucks (drugstore) and it's perfect for taking/preparing cuttings.

The cutting should be long enough that you can bury 2 nodes in the soil and have 1 pair of leaves above but not touching the soil.
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Jul 6, 2023 2:28 PM CST
Name: Al F.
5b-6a mid-MI
Knowledge counters trepidation.
Japanese Maples Deer Tropicals Seed Starter Overwinters Tender Plants Indoors Region: Michigan
Houseplants Foliage Fan Dog Lover Container Gardener Birds Wild Plant Hunter
Most plants with a tendency to grow 'viney' are very easy to clone. If you look in the axil (crotch formed by the leaf petiole and the stem it's attached to, you'll probably see embryonic branches which are suppressed by a chemical produced in the tip (growing end) of the vine, like these on the Mexican petunia (not a petunia) being prepared for propagation:

Thumb of 2023-07-06/tapla/86f8c7
Do you see what look like small leaves in the crotch formed by the leaf stems and the branch? Those are branches.

Prepare the cuttings:
Cut the bottom immediately below a node with a very sharp tool.
Thumb of 2023-07-06/tapla/942296
A #11 scalpel is only a couple of bucks (drugstore) and it's perfect for taking/preparing cuttings.
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The cutting should be long enough that you can bury 2 nodes in the soil and have 1 pair of leaves above but not touching the soil. Cut the 2 leaves in half with scissors but don't take the cutting with scissors. They crush delicate tissue and that's the perfect place for rot to begin. Ideally you would be able to keep the soil damp but never wet or soggy. If you think you might have an issue keeping track of how wet the bottom of the pot is, make sure the soil is at least 6" deep. That is so the basal end (bottom) of the cutting is never immersed in a layer of saturated soil toward the bottom of the pot.

You don;t need a propagating aid, but if you prefer, Clonex is good. Make sure the base of the cutting has no loose debris on it. Shake the container thoroughly with cap on. Open immediately and quickly dip the cutting in the foam created by shaking so the bottom 2 nodes get coated. Make a small hole in the moist medium and carefully insert the cutting(s), trying to make sure the rooting aid remains stuck to the cutting and doesn't rub off on the sides of the hole. Gently settle the soil around the base of the cutting (a bamboo skewer works well) and tent. Keep in bright or open shade. Roots should form within a week.

2 branches/vines will grow from the crotch of the 2 leaves. When each branch has 2 leaves, pinch the branches/vines - that will give you 4. If you want the plants really full, pinch again so you'll have 8 vines from 1 plant.

Al
* Employ your time in improving yourself by other men's writings, so that you shall gain easily what others have labored hard for. ~ Socrates
* Change might not always bring growth, but there is no growth without change.
* Mother Nature always sides with the hidden flaw.
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