I love your tone. Both of you made me laugh out loud several times, especially in the discussion of pleasantries.

I want to applaud Trish for dealing with black spot in the correct way: pulling off the affected leaves instead of using chemical fungicides. Black spot has never killed a rose, so even if all of the leaves have to be removed, the next set of leaves will be green and lovely.

Two bits of misinformation I have to address: Trish, the writer of the Roses Week articles on rose pests and rose diseases was not Jeremy. It was Calsurf73 (aka JasperDale, aka Mike). Dave, our rose database does not include every known rose cultivar. I've avoided adding cultivars that are no longer available in commerce and are no longer on display in any public gardens. The helpmefind.com website lists 44,000 cultivars, for example, and we list only 5,400. We probably could add another 30,000 or 40,000 cultivars, but most of them would be alternative names for the same cutlivars or extinct or obsolete roses for which we'd most likely never have any photos or much information.

Oops! Forgot to tell you what I do about scale on ferns. If you keep an eye on your ferns and catch the scale infestation early, it's easy to scrape the scale armor off with your fingernail. After that, spray the underside of the affected fronds lightly with Pam cooking spray (in the shade or indoors; never in sunlight). Repeat the Pam spray two weeks later. If the infestation has gone on too long and the armor's too thick, Dave's advice is best: Dump the fern and buy a new one.

Thanks for all that, Zuzu. It's good to have the facts all straightened out, especially about Mike.

I'm glad we were able to make you laugh. We have fun doing the podcasts.

I remember now about the rose names and that we made that decision which I think is the right one, of course.

My apologies to Mike! Even while were were saying it, I knew Jeremy couldn't be right because he's in FL, and I knew our guy was in CA! Dave knew that too, because he remembers meeting Mike. But I also knew that there was a "J", which, of course, was from his old username of JasperDale. Things just weren't computing

Yep, that pretty well describes what was happening in my mind, too.

I sure enjoyed spending an evening with Mike, Zuzu and others.

I so enjoyed this podcast and even heard my name

Loved hearing the stats -

So much information - I just love these podcasts

Thank you Dave and Trish