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Jun 10, 2023 7:12 PM CST
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Does anyone know what these insects are, please?

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Jun 10, 2023 7:24 PM CST
Name: Zoë
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Weird. Are they firm and attached like scale? Do they hop, fly crawl? Flee when disturbed?
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Jun 10, 2023 7:45 PM CST
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NMoasis said: Weird. Are they firm and attached like scale? Do they hop, fly crawl? Flee when disturbed?


They ARE weird! Blinking They look like they would be soft like a moth but feel hard. They are not attached. They crawl. I poked them several times before they acted disturbed but only the ones I poked moved & not fast nor far.

One acted like it was going to jump like a leafhopper would but didn't actually hop or go anywhere. Looks like there are a lot of eggs on the main vein of the leaf.

I've never seen them before.
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Jun 10, 2023 8:00 PM CST
Name: Zoë
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My closest guess is scale of some sort but a quick search didn't turn up one specific to echinacea. Scales come in many shapes and sizes, so could be.

Or...Death watch beetle???:
https://www.marylandbiodiversi...
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Jun 10, 2023 8:09 PM CST
Name: Zoë
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Well, I've just gone down a rabbit hole of extremely creepy insects. No luck, but thinking now they could be a chrysalis of some kind? Looking forward to seeing if someone can ID them.🦠
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Jun 10, 2023 9:12 PM CST
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They look soft & fuzzy like a moth but they are not. They feel hard & smooth like plastic. And they are not stuck. They crawl & are either laying the eggs or eating them. Idk.

But I thought scales don't crawl.
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Jun 10, 2023 9:24 PM CST
Name: Zoë
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Yup, you're right. They can crawl only in their juvenile stage, and they are small and soft at that stage. I've rejected that theory. Unfortunately, I don't have any other solid idea.
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Jun 10, 2023 10:20 PM CST
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The one is a different shape but has the same colors Confused

Do you think it could be some kind of Spittlebug?

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Jun 10, 2023 10:28 PM CST
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Surely looks like a member of Membracoidea (Leafhoppers and Treehoppers).
I think an Aster treehoppers (Publilia concava)
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Jun 10, 2023 11:37 PM CST
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Thank y'all for your help Smiling
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Jun 11, 2023 8:02 AM CST
Name: Zoë
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You're welcome Thea and thanks for the nuts, but I wasn't any help at all — credit goes to Tofi. 👍
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Jun 11, 2023 11:26 PM CST
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NMoasis said: You're welcome Thea and thanks for the nuts, but I wasn't any help at all — credit goes to Tofi. 👍


He got nuts too Grin You tried & that was worth nuts to me Grin
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