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Jul 21, 2023 10:12 AM CST
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Name: Sally
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Why would a dead rat be laying out in the middle of my large lawn this morning? If a neighbor is baiting them, would they crawl to an open area to die? Couple months ago one was laying on a garden path, and a third, I forget where it was found. We find them in the morning.

Also, a rat was seen scratching at a ground level window one night. No evidence of burrows, no food or water source within many yards (can't say what the neighbor might have across the driveway and other side of forsythia hedge line.)

We can find no evidence of rats anywhere in our half acre. I do have some areas with leaf litter, vinca and ivy vines, and some dead brush, as far from the house as can be on a triangular half acre. The yard is bordered with shrubs in a single line, or trees with leaf litter, or gardens that I do tend somewhat, (not neat as a pin I admit.) We have no pond, stream, or standing water problem. We have a small compost, never see rats around it, actively composting in the heat and rain anyway. I have almost no problems with pests in the vegetable garden, plenty of tomatoes, squash, peppers now if they wanted, only thing eaten was lettuce, radicchio and beans, back in spring, easily explained by the groundhogs and bunnies we see. There are scraps of forest not far, between old and new developments, enough so that deer wander thru now and then, (tomato tops just got pruned at 4 feet last night in fact)

Odd and maybe insignificant, we find them when it's rained the day or night before. They are wet.

Have lived here 32 years, have only found 2 deat rats ( seperate years) before this year. with 3 dead so far this spring/summer and the one live sighting.

My question is, do you think a neighbor has an active problem, do rats typically roam, and if neighbor is baiting for rats, are rats wandering to die? Or are they so stealth I just haven't found them in my yard? I'm looking for holes, digging, trails, gnawing- nothing.
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Jul 21, 2023 10:30 AM CST
Name: Connie
Willamette Valley OR (Zone 8a)
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When rats are baited, they lose their rational and indeed wander out in the open where you can find and dispose of them.
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Jul 21, 2023 11:30 AM CST
Name: Rj
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Sounds like they have been baited, probably takes a few days for them to die.
As Yogi Berra said, “It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future.”
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Jul 21, 2023 12:05 PM CST
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Name: Sally
central Maryland (Zone 7b)
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Thumbs up
I am releived to hear these reassurances Thank You!
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Jul 21, 2023 12:15 PM CST
Name: stone
near Macon Georgia (USA) (Zone 8a)
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Yuck!
Poison rats...
Watch out for the pets...

When I see dead rats, rabbits, squirrels, chipmunks, moles, voles... It's cause the cats killed them. Of course, except for the moles and voles, the cats usually eat their kill...
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Jul 21, 2023 12:33 PM CST
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Name: Sally
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The rats appear whole and unbloodied. No other dead animals ever found.
Plant it and they will come.
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Jul 21, 2023 12:47 PM CST
Name: Porkpal
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Many rat poisons cause internal bleeding which makes them thirsty so they go out in search of water and don't die in your attic - at least that is the logic the sellers feed you.
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Jul 21, 2023 12:55 PM CST
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Often, feral cats or just house cats let out to do their business catch mice, voles, rats, birds, young squirrels, baby rabbits ..... and make sport of them w/o eating them and leave them lie when they get bored. While rat poison is probably the most likely cause, cats are another potentiality. Our neighbor's cat is allowed to roam and I regularly see it emptying bird nests of eggs and young, and torturing whatever other small critters it catches.

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Jul 21, 2023 1:23 PM CST
Name: Connie
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Anything that poisons the rat will poison anything else that eats the carcass. You want to dispose of dead rats as soon as you find them. They don't seem to get very far. The one I baited (it thought my converted garage was a place to forage) was found just a couple of feet from the house.

Unfortunately, raptors can be poisoned from dead poisoned vermin, so be careful. There are other ways to get rid of rats.
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Jul 21, 2023 1:38 PM CST
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Name: Sally
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We bury the rats when we find them.
I just hoped for this reassurance that they could come from off site while I still keep an eye out for any burrows here.
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Jul 22, 2023 5:43 AM CST
Name: stone
near Macon Georgia (USA) (Zone 8a)
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pardalinum said: Anything that poisons the rat will poison anything else that eats the carcass.

Unfortunately, raptors can be poisoned from dead poisoned vermin, so be careful. There are other ways to get rid of rats.

This was my point, too...

They used to deliberately put out poisoned carcasses to kill the carnivores...

One time, I took home a rolled up carpet that came out of someone's attic...
Unfortunately, the rats and mice had been using it as a pantry.
They'd gathered up bird seed and rat poison and stashed it in the carpet.

When I carried that carpet from my truck to the house, the rat poison spilled out... and... the cats were on it!

I couldn't do anything about the pieces of poison they ate, but I quickly gathered up all that I saw to prevent anybody getting enough to do them in...

On "Billy The Exterminator", he got a call for a dead animal under the bathtub...
The lady in the house heard an animal, put out rat poison... Billy got called out to remove a raccoon or possum that was stinking up the house.

That rat poison... very bad idea.
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Jul 23, 2023 11:26 AM CST
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Name: Sally
central Maryland (Zone 7b)
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Cripes, another one today. In the front yard. If we mapped them, our house or garage is the center- but it's the center of OUR activity so that means little.
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Jul 23, 2023 11:30 AM CST
Name: Rj
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Maybe time to talk to the neighbors
As Yogi Berra said, “It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future.”
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Jul 23, 2023 12:06 PM CST
Name: Zoë
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Agree with Rj. That would really give me the creeps. Hope you find the answer. Whatever it is, doesn't seem great — poison, disease, malicious pranks predators that don't eat their kill... especially since you didn't have a rat population to begin with.
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Jul 23, 2023 1:26 PM CST
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Name: Sally
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All neighbors are pretty responsible with their property. One has been away and knows nothing. Another, language barrier. Knowing the source isn't urgent to me. Just odd to have them.
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Jul 24, 2023 8:14 AM CST
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Name: Sally
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Zoe and Rj, of course you're right. We don't often see the third neighbor, but a relative just moved in with a dog, husky, so she needs to know be on the lookout in case the rats are poisoned.
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Jul 24, 2023 9:38 AM CST
Name: James
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there is a type rat poison used for barns, sheds & attics, comes in a wafer form, that you break off sections, then toss into hard to reach corners

the poison is not immediate .... it makes the rat thirsty ..... the rat leaves its hiding place and dies looking for water to quench its thirst ..
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Jul 29, 2023 1:06 PM CST
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Poisons, for this reason none are used around my property as I have rescue cats and wildlife living in the woods around me, do not want to poison them. Between my cats that go out in am after dawn, (never between dusk and dawn as that is hen larger predators are active as are their prey) , coyote, hawks, owls and feral cats I have no nouse, rat problems. If they do get inside during rainy, cold, hot days, the cats make quick work of them. Plus there is a ring neck and black snake in my basement, they got in by accident. Conservation said unless afraid of snakes, let them be, they will kep bugs, rodents down. So as far as I know, they are still there, catching roaches, mice, etc. for me.
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