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Aug 21, 2023 3:54 PM CST
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Name: Sally
central Maryland (Zone 7b)
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I tried to choose a good native smallish evergreen with berries for birds- settled on Ilex glabra. I got 4 Shamrock, followed by one Gem Box. This is their 3rd/2nd summer and I find exactly ONE berry (green right now.). So nothing nearby (huge Burford next to them, many opaca in the general area, an unknown male holly in my yard that has a zillion blooms and bees love..) is doing the deed. I examined this spring and confirmed that my glabra all had lots of female flowers. They're 3 feet tall and wide, very green, happy. (Gem Box smaller)
Now I'm hunting for a Nordic, sounds like the one male you can buy( or is it?). One place has them back in stock but a hefty 3 gallon plant and I was hoping to start smaller.
Here's what bugs me: NONE of the many female I. glabra at this big nursery had any berries. Wouldn't you expect that some Nordics and some females all sat together in a field for a good part of their lives? Is that a reasonable assumption, that the females ought to have some berries at the nursery?
If I find a Nordic and a place to plant it in my 1/2 acre, should it do the trick for berries?
Does anybody have Ilex glabra making lots of berries?

(This may sound a bit grumpy- the sales person was not on my wavelength. "The berries are very small and black.. " I know what a berry looks like Grumbling I know, it's probably rare to have an educated consumer and a very specific demand like this. Sighing! )

Probably somone's ears are burning but just in case - @ViburnumValley
Plant it and they will come.
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Aug 22, 2023 6:24 AM CST
Name: stone
near Macon Georgia (USA) (Zone 8a)
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sallyg said:(This may sound a bit grumpy- the sales person was not on my wavelength. "The berries are very small and black.. " I know what a berry looks like Grumbling


I know the feeling...

Don't know about your specific holly... I have ilex opaca... One female failed this year... although, cutting back several of the main trunks of this forked tree may have something to do with it... the others out in the wild have fruit.

A selection of females where none were producing fruit doesn't sound like a likely source of fruit bearing trees for someone who valued that aspect.
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Aug 22, 2023 6:57 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Sally
central Maryland (Zone 7b)
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Charter ATP Member Frogs and Toads Houseplants Keeper of Poultry Vegetable Grower Region: Maryland
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I think it does a disservice to the 'plant natives' idea, to list one if it is so hard to have it bear fruit. Sighing!
Plant it and they will come.
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Aug 23, 2023 5:44 AM CST
Name: stone
near Macon Georgia (USA) (Zone 8a)
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https://plants.ces.ncsu.edu/pl...
Looks like a very desirable plant...

Should be easy to tell whether you have female plants...
https://edgeofthewoodsnursery....
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I think I'd research a source of male plants... once I verified that these were definitely female...

I suspect that one male plant should solve the issue.

Too bad that you don't have a source of the berries... I'd try growing from seed...
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Aug 23, 2023 6:11 AM CST
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Name: Sally
central Maryland (Zone 7b)
See you in the funny papers!
Charter ATP Member Frogs and Toads Houseplants Keeper of Poultry Vegetable Grower Region: Maryland
Composter Native Plants and Wildflowers Organic Gardener Region: United States of America Cat Lover Birds
Yeah, thanks, I KNOW I have all female, both by cultivar reputation and by examining flowers. 'Nordic' seems the only male one can buy.

I'm hoping for some reassurance that if I get a Nordic I'll get berries.

And I don't want to try and grow from berries, giving them that space and time to find out which become males. (Been there with salvaging seedlings of American holly, only bloomed so far are all male, ironically)
Plant it and they will come.
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Aug 24, 2023 6:12 AM CST
Name: stone
near Macon Georgia (USA) (Zone 8a)
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I don't purchase named cultivars. Named cultivars aren't really the same as "native".
What I've been reading about these plants... if you could find a male... there's a good possibility that you could dig some clones... apparently they produce root suckers.

If you find male plants... I would expect the problem to be solved.

Not so sure that buying "Nordic" is the solution...

https://www.monrovia.com/nordi...
Lustrous deep green foliage covers this compact, rounded shrub. An excellent choice for foundations, hedges, and mass plantings, or for use as an accent plant. This easy-care evergreen tolerates a range of soil conditions and even moderately shaded exposures. This female selection bears discreet black fruit if pollinated by a male.


I think you're going to have to find a plant that is positively male... And spend the time figuring out how to propagate it.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
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Aug 24, 2023 6:56 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Sally
central Maryland (Zone 7b)
See you in the funny papers!
Charter ATP Member Frogs and Toads Houseplants Keeper of Poultry Vegetable Grower Region: Maryland
Composter Native Plants and Wildflowers Organic Gardener Region: United States of America Cat Lover Birds
Thanks for making me look again. I came across the misinformation somewhere. This supports you as well as many sites that now pop up. How have I gotten myself so confused?
https://www.ecobeneficial.com/...
As of 2020, even the Holly Society is frustrated
JOURNAL - Holly Society of America http://www.hollysocam.org/unti...
Plant it and they will come.
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Aug 24, 2023 7:23 AM CST
Name: stone
near Macon Georgia (USA) (Zone 8a)
Garden Sages Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Plant Identifier
Nordicâ„¢ is in fact female, and so our search for a male continues.
We reluctantly conclude that, apart from any wild populations of Ilex glabra, there are few if any male inkberries in today's landscape.


Hmmm.

Growing from berries is looking a lot better.
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