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Sep 19, 2023 6:34 PM CST
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Hitchcock, Texas (Zone 9a)
TopJimmy here! Y'all were tremendous help last time and I'm asking once again for y'all to show up! Something is eating the leaves on my plants! I see some ants in the bed for sure, could this be it? I have some pictures below and welcome any and all advice! I would like something along the lines of a natural or organic remedy! I don't want anything crazy on the plants! Side note: should I go ahead and prune the leaves that have been munched on??


THANKS AGAIN IN ADVANCE!
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Sep 19, 2023 7:24 PM CST
Name: Sally
central Maryland (Zone 7b)
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Look underneath on the backs of the leaves. Beetles, beetle larvae, or slugs maybe?
Let the leaves stay, the green parts are still making food for the plant.
Plant it and they will come.
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Sep 19, 2023 7:34 PM CST
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Hitchcock, Texas (Zone 9a)
Will do! I'll keep an eye out! I check a few times a day but I haven't noticed any beetles or slugs but I have noticed what looks like ants. They are crawling on the plant and about the raised bed. They seem very scattered so it's hard to see the source. Is there anything I can apply to the leaves and or bed that will knock them down a bit but not harm the plants?
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Sep 19, 2023 11:00 PM CST
California Central Valley (Zone 8b)
Region: California
TopJimmy said: Is there anything I can apply to the leaves and or bed that will knock them down a bit but not harm the plants?


First you have to figure out what sort of bugs you're dealing with. I thought maybe caterpillars or slugs/snails. Unfotunately, most plant munching bugs feed at night and hide during the day. You might try leaving beer out. Use a can (something with straight sides), fill it with a couple inches of beer and put it amongst the plants in the evening. Check in the morning to see what you have attracted then you can make a plan of attack.
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Sep 20, 2023 5:48 AM CST
Name: Sally
central Maryland (Zone 7b)
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agreed-
I don't think the ants are the problem.
Plant it and they will come.
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Sep 20, 2023 6:35 AM CST
Name: stone
near Macon Georgia (USA) (Zone 8a)
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Don't cut the leaves!

One of your pics looks like squash bug possible.
The others? Grasshoppers? IDK.
I figure out what is eating my plants by being out in the garden...
So... keep checking.
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Sep 20, 2023 8:01 AM CST
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Hitchcock, Texas (Zone 9a)
thanks! I appreciate the advice! Y'all are great! 🫡
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Sep 21, 2023 7:39 AM CST
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Hitchcock, Texas (Zone 9a)
Welp. I tried the beer trick and woke up to a single roach. I've checked under leaves and around the garden bed and don't see anything!
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Sep 21, 2023 8:49 AM CST
Name: Arlene
Southold, Long Island, NY (Zone 7a)
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Could that "roach" have been an earwig? Earwigs can do great damage.
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Sep 21, 2023 9:49 AM CST
Name: Sally
central Maryland (Zone 7b)
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Or the damage was done days ago and those bugs have moved on.
Or the bugs skipped a night.
Plant it and they will come.
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Sep 21, 2023 12:01 PM CST
Name: Debbie
Sedona Arizona (Zone 8b)
Hi Topjimmy, It is so neat to hear from a passionate gardener trying to protect his/her crop! Warms my heart. Everybody has given you excellent advise. Step one is always to figure out exactly what is eating your vegies so you can fix the problem. I have a couple of ideas for pictures 1-3 and I think I might know the culprit in picture 4.

Culprit in #4.... I get them every now and then on my eggplants mostly and they're easy to deal with. Teeny, tiny little black beetles about the size of a piece of black pepper that are really hard to see. I usually just find a couple on the inderside of the leaves. They hop away quickly. I just spray the plant with some neem oil and they're gone instantly. But I wouldn't spray oil on a squash plant, especially not in super hot Texas so maybe someone else has a better suggestion for what to use. But they're not hard to get rid of.

Lucy68 said to put out a trap can with an inch or two of beer inside. Great suggestion. You do have to bury the can in the dirt down to the rim so the bugs can get in easily. I know it will trap pill bugs and roaches. I have roaches here but they never cause a problem. Anyway, This trap will rule out pill bugs. I have a huge problem with them here but that doesn't look like pill bug damage to me.

Pirl mentioned earwigs. That very well looks like it could be earwig damage. Especially because they are attacking leaves all over the plant but mostly toward the bottom. If so you can.... go out at the crack of dawn, that's usually the best time to see them feeding OR you can make the same kind of trap using a can buried down in the dirt and put in an inch of vegetable oil with a few drops of oil from a can of tuna fish. I've had an infestation of earwigs in the past and they love tuna oil. You would find lots of them in the trap in a day or two.

But you could also have bird damage. I had tiny little gray birds that loved to eat my squashes. My plants would look just like yours. They are tiny so they just sit on the branch and munch away. Drove me nuts! But all my birds got up and flew the coop in 2020. A dozen different species. Just left. A year later new birds came in. These little birds do the same thing but don't like my squashes! Can you believe that. These birds prefer my brassicas. Same damage just different plants. This is a picture I just took of bird damage on one of my cauliflower plants. Damage looks just like that from cabbage loopers. But there were no loopers. And I covered them all in tule to protect them. You can see that there is no more damage to the new growth at the top so I stopped the little buggers. You could try throwing some tulle or bird netting over the top to see what happens.

Hope this helps. Happy gardening everyone.
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Sep 21, 2023 2:35 PM CST
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Hitchcock, Texas (Zone 9a)
THANK YOU!!' I will continue my preventive maintenance to the best of my ability! Y'all have been tremendous with all the help! Hopefully I get to the bottom of this! I'm just trying to see some pumpkins this year!
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Sep 22, 2023 6:18 AM CST
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Hitchcock, Texas (Zone 9a)
Hey guys woke up to my only two flowers being covered with these little guys. I tried rinsing the flower off and I'm doing so the flower has ripped. Have I shot my chances at pollinating this pumkin??what can I use for this ant issue.
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Sep 22, 2023 8:30 AM CST
Name: Debbie
Sedona Arizona (Zone 8b)
Hi Topjimmy, The ants aren't doing any harm. They re enjoying the pollen and helping to pollinate your flowers. No worries. You already have your pumpkin. It's that round bump attached to the back of the flower on the right.
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Sep 30, 2023 3:26 PM CST
Silex, Missouri 63377
Once Iput out beer and found a squirrel drinking it all. He/she could not make it up the tree, kept sliding back down! Just put beer out at night!
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Oct 1, 2023 5:21 AM CST
Vermont
pirl said: Could that "roach" have been an earwig? Earwigs can do great damage.


I used to hate earwigs, but then I found out that they have their good points:
Are earwigs bad for your garden?
Although earwigs can devastate seedling vegetables or annual flowers and often seriously damage maturing soft fruit or corn silks, they also have a beneficial role in the landscape and have been shown to be important predators of aphids and other insects.
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