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Oct 7, 2023 7:18 PM CST
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Simi Valley, CA, USA (Zone 9b)
I have some questions about Delosperma cooperi, or Cooper's Hardy Ice Plant.

Last spring, we did a late planting in a part of our yard as an experiment (Zone 9, maybe 10 in southern California). It was a narrow strip between our house and the neighbor's, so it gets only a few hours of direct sunlight. In the past, we had had trouble growing anything other than weeds in that spot. With some work, I dug everything up, adding some new topsoil & fertilizer, and dug a drainage ditch. Instead of the Bermuda grass that traditionally went there, I replaced it with Delosperma cooperi plugs spaced 6 inches apart.

I did my research before I started. I knew it wasn't picture-perfect conditions for the plant, but with how hardy it is, I felt we had a chance of success. And boy, was I right! The nursery from which we bought the plant advised planting plugs with 6-inch spacing and said that it would fill in by 6 months. Instead, most of it had filled in within a month, and it was still growing aggressively. We're now looking to partly or fully replace the front lawn with it.

However, the experience did not entirely match our expectations, I want to understand this plant better before we start on the major project this fall. For one, everything I've read online was the opposite or near-opposite of how the plant behaved. I had read that it loves sun, but will slowly creep into very shady spots, despite the lack of direct sun. Instead, ours grew best in the shady spots and struggled most in direct sun. Also, after the first few months, I tried to cut back on the watering to enjoy the drought-tolerant nature of the plant, going from once every other day to once or twice a week. As a result, the fresh carpet of green began to struggle and a few dead spots appeared.

Even its growth confused me. I had always seen examples of it as very short, with tough, crowded succulent leaves clustered close to the ground. I know it spreads through runners, but those long, thick tangles of runners were all we saw. It even caused a problem because it seemed to attract either a cat or a raccoon every night, and they loved to toss tangles around or rip it up in places. I've been expecting the plant to become the thick, compacted mat of succulent leaves, but even this late in the season, it still almost entirely consists of long tangles of runners.

Lastly, what we planted doesn't seem to handle foot traffic quite as well as people have claimed online. I know it's not meant for heavy foot traffic, but in all the places I've seen it growing, the leaves were tough and firm, easily handling a person's weight as they passed over. Ours, however, has very soft, squishy leaves, which I admit may be due to the regular watering. However, when we cut back the watering, the leaves don't firm up. Instead, the plant wilts.

Otherwise, the plant has been a delight as a grass replacement. Yes, it's "invasive" (growing aggressively), but it's easily controlled--much more so than that damn weedy Bermuda grass that's not native either. Plus the HOA is likely to give us a pass since it looks like a grass lawn at a glance, versus how a natural landscape will only upset them.

I'm certain of the identity of the plant. I put a lot of effort into that, and I even posted questions on this forum in the past. I'm wondering if there are other varieties out there. I know Dwarf Carpet of Stars (Ruschia lineolata) is virtually identical, except for its seed pods. It's description and needs better match the Delosperma cooperi descriptions I had read than what I'm seeing in our yard, so I doubt it was a mix-up with that one.

Anyway, sorry for the short book. If you've made it this far and know something about the plant, I'd love to hear your thoughts.

I'd also like to know how plugs will deal with being planted in disturbed soil that's been treated with pre-emergent herbicide two weeks prior. I want to keep the weeding down this time, especially since the foot traffic can pack down the fresh soil. (Fortunately, the narrow strip and the drainage ditch down the middle helped give me a place to walk last time.)

I'll post more pictures soon. Thanks in advance!
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Oct 7, 2023 7:20 PM CST
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Here is a picture of the dead spots we encountered when the temperatures approached 38 C (100 F) and we cut the watering back to twice a week.
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Oct 7, 2023 7:22 PM CST
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Lastly, here's a picture of its runners. Again, that's what the entire area is covered with, even after 8 months of growth. There is very little of the short, crowded clusters of succulent leaves like I showed in the picture included above in the original post.
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Oct 8, 2023 3:16 PM CST
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I do appreciate you sharing your experience, even if I don't have a lot of insight about that particular species.

The trailing/mat forming ice plants that we have here (about 6 or 7 different species that I have not all identified, none of which match yours) are all drought tolerant in our coastal climate, which is similar to yours but cooler and drier (10"/year, 70% from Dec-Mar).

They will survive with zero supplemental water here when established, though it is important to provide regular water during their first dry season in the ground. Plants growing in difficult places (rocky/sandy soil that doesn't retain much water) will tend to be dwarfed and they may turn brown by late summer, but do come back when it rains in the fall and winter. So I guess if you're going for a nice green appearance, you might have to water some. I can't imagine watering more than every 2 weeks even in the peak of summer, but our temps are way cooler than yours (average high temp in August was 75°F).

Also the growth will be quite different in sun vs. shade. I don't think the average trailing ice plant has any particular demanding needs about light. They all do fine in full sun here, but I've also seen them in shady places. The stems will grow longer and weaker, as will the leaves, in lower light. Given a sufficient period of neglect, the ice plants in the public garden would probably take over everything, sun or shade, as they can penetrate pretty far in the undergrowth of other plants (though with longer, weaker stems).

I have never seen a trailing/mat forming ice plant that actually works for foot traffic. They all tend to get crushed pretty easily. Though the older stems are harder and withstand more pressure, so where foot traffic passes through a patch of ice plants, the brown stems are basically all that's left. It doesn't mean the end of the plant (collateral circulation, redundant stems) but it isn't pretty. Basically there is a foot path or foot prints where people pass through regularly.
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Oct 8, 2023 3:36 PM CST
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Simi Valley, CA, USA (Zone 9b)
Thank you for replying, Baja_Costero.

Although the species are different, you may have answered some of my questions. More experimentation will be needed to see. The patches of Delosperma cooperi around our place are well-established and receive full sun most of the day, as well as very little water to no water. The direct sunlight might explain their shorter stems. Also, with more leaves packed together that might add resilience to foot traffic, especially given that those patches aren't watered regularly. Unlike our young plants, which aren't used to the heat and lack of water, maybe their leaves have grown tougher.

Anyway, I'm hoping to see more feedback. Maybe someone has experience with this particular species and is willing to share.
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