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Jan 7, 2024 10:32 AM CST
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I have a client that has a tricky bed. The front gets good sunlight however the house shade about 6' at the deepest throughout the day. I'm in Austin, Tx. (Summers here are brutal) NE facing so the shrub or tree needs to be able to handle the winter weather we get here. Existing shrubs are Canyon Creek abelia x3. Limestone house dark brown trim. There are two high window in this bed.
I was thinking Pringle shrubby yew?
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Jan 7, 2024 11:17 AM CST
Name: Sally
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Ya know. Foundation beds are the rule, yet, on expensive houses you cover up nice brick and maybe windows. Wonder if the area in front of windows, where there is a shrub, can get a carpet of condo grass, and have the shrubs or more statement items be on the side walls?
Just might be thinking outside the box as I am awful at trying to design lol.
Wouldn't it be better to hide the downspout than the window?
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Jan 8, 2024 4:58 AM CST
Name: stone
near Macon Georgia (USA) (Zone 8a)
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Yeah... I'd be trying to talk the client into losing that entire grassy patch between walk & house... Plant tree further out... And even rip grass out on both sides of walk to corner of walk (at least)...

Grass is entirely too much work for too little reward...

Personally I have to pass when people are in love with their lawns too much to start replacing...

They usually won't let me remove all of the turf, but I can usually get a good bit of it out...

As far as those tiny foundation beds?
What are you asking?
Are you trying to replace what's there? Doesn't look like enough room to add more stuff...

And as Sally pointed out... you don't want to cover up those beautiful windows...
I constantly have to cut back shrubs planted in front of those windows by previous owners... You don't want to create future issues...

But... yeah... In front of the drain pipe, Probably a camellia.
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Jan 8, 2024 8:50 PM CST
Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
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Agree with both above. Beautiful facade, love the asymmetry.

Anything big enough to match the grand scale of the roofline will need to be away from the house much more. If that does not appeal, those little spots look like a great place for some herbs, easily accessible, if there's enough sun. If it's too shady, an assortment of ferns could be nice, moisture permitting. Something soft looking.

I might replace the statue on the right with something about 3x as tall. A rock that is tall and thin could look great there, darker than the little statue. One with a gently gurgling fountain flowing from the top would be lovely in the semi-enclosed space. The sound would bounce around a bit.
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Jan 9, 2024 5:25 AM CST
Name: stone
near Macon Georgia (USA) (Zone 8a)
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I just enlarged the picture to get a closer look at the current plants...

That Loropetalum(?) in front of the windows?
Looks like a serious problem in the making...

In my experience, those turn into 30 foot tall monstrosities...

when you said albelia... I took your word on it...

Hope to hear back from you... re what actually is there, and a clearer idea of what's planned.
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Jan 17, 2024 10:29 PM CST
Name: PotterK
Seattle, WA
I'd go with a mass planting of Mexican Feather grass. The soft, breezy and golden look would set nice in front of that stark (though beautiful) white structure with bluish glass. Take out everything else and leave only the grass. Plant nothing tall. Maybe add one feature, like a large clay pot, set in amongst the clumps of grass.
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Jan 19, 2024 1:58 PM CST
Name: Pat
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@stone @sallyg

@NursSpecAtHCWGCTX, Your screen name suggests you work for Hill Country Water Gardens and Nursery? Wow! You have tremendous resources available to you: Trees, shrubs, and herbaceous plants of all kinds, hardscaping materials, decorative accessories, and best of all a solid business reputation!

Maybe you could leverage those assets to entice your client to expand their concept from "a bed" to "an oasis in a courtyard"?

It wouldn't have to cost a lot more. It could be programmed for expansion and filling over time.

It could start with clearing out the grass in the whole area as @stone suggested. It's parched and shabby looking. It's high maintenance. The ground could simply be mulched for now.

As Sally envisioned, a small tree or tree-form shrub on the left, set close to the front walk but with room to grow, could provide a viewpoint from the house. Maybe one that flowers for seasonal interest, and possibly fragrance. One of the nursery's weeping redbuds? A Texas mountain laurel? A Chinese fringetree? (I'd say a native fringetree but I'm not sure it would be refined enough). If it's deciduous, some tiny white lights on the bare branches would create a festive feel in winter.

The mulched area surrounding it could be planted with the herbaceous plants from the existing bed. Not in a dot-dash red-green single file. Instead, clustered in small drifts by color, creating a mosaic on the ground. Eventually perhaps a very low evergreen ground cover could create a verdant floor between the other plants to carpet the oasis. Sally was suggesting something like this too.

What could be better than to come home to than an oasis on a blistering summer day?

Did the owners especially want the froggy statuary? It could go on the house side of the small tree, so it faces the house window. Plant something evergreen that's just tall enough to provide a background for it, between the statue and the tree. Now the clients will really like the view from the house.

Otherwise, try to swap something else into the courtyard for decor. A substantial stone planter of coordinating sandstone color on the right side could be attractive.

Keep the right side simple and the plantings low, 3' or under. Picture a semi-formal arrangement of the planter with 3 low shrubs on each side. A bed of annuals or perennials in front for additional color. The planter filled with tallish, showy and colorful plants. Now there's a view from the other window.

And now people have something to see (and inhale?) when they walk from the driveway toward the house - a total distraction from the downspout (which has been obscured anyway by something low-growing near it). And they also won't notice the shoddy work at the rooflines on the left of the lovely arched window left of the door.

Speaking of the door, the builder went cheap on the walk, as builders usually do. It should have been as wide as the porch floor, to feel expansive and welcoming instead of crowded and constricting. I'd want to think about whether some creative use of neutral pavers on the edges could broaden it. I'd be sure to move those protruding rock edgers out of the way of the porch landing! They're a tripping/falling hazard. They'd be gone anyway if the beds are reworked. The edgers (all of them) could be incorporated somewhere else, preferably unobtrusive because the contrasting color attracts the eye too much.

All the plant choices should be native or climate-adapted so they won't need routine irrigation after they're established. But they would preferably be as lush as possible, not the Arizona Arid look.

On the the right side as far out as possible from the house a tree could be planted that will grow tall enough to provide a setting. Maybe a Mexican white oak, limbed high as it grows? It will visually set the house back from the street and eventually make it look sheltered.

@stone has valuable experience to share. Ask yourself - what is the purpose of those shrubs in front of the windows? To grow up and block out the light and the view? To make window cleaning impossible? My landscape designer professor said windows are for letting in light and seeing the view. If there's no view? Create one.

The current beds are not deep enough to allow the plants that are in them to grow and, even more important, to allow getting between them and the wall for maintenance. Three feet of clearance with nothing but mulch (or foot-tolerant groundcover plants) are really needed in every bed next to a building but Americans don't seem to get that. You have a chance to educate them.

Those tiny beds hugging the walls look stifled. The plantings are busy, yet have no impact.

Set the plants free. Let them breathe into the space! Encourage your client to imagine coming home to a feeling of luxury that is more about creativity than cost. Their entry could set an example that viewers will want to follow... to your company's doorstep.

Pat

P.S. Speaking of assets, the Zilker Botanical Garden appears to be a treasure! It's a reference collection of specimens in situ. It's an inspiration for ways to use the plants. And it has numerous educational programs including one created for landscape professionals as part of their larger "Grow Green" initiative. I'm awed by all it offers!

https://www.austintexas.gov/de...

P.P.S. I learned from their site that oak wilt can be an issue in some Austin-area sites. So I don't know if the Mexican wild oak would be a good choice here. Something to consider.
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Jan 19, 2024 2:02 PM CST
Name: Sally
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Excellent plan, @Hortaholic
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Jan 19, 2024 4:00 PM CST
Name: Pat
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sallyg said: Excellent plan, @Hortaholic


Thanks, Sally! ๐Ÿ™๐Ÿป Your suggestions and Stone's comments started me thinking and I couldn't let go!

"Foundation plantings" make no sense when there's no exposed foundation. As you hinted.

Pat
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