Post a reply

Avatar for timapexcom
Feb 21, 2024 9:38 PM CST
Thread OP

Has anyone used the liquid smoke not for seed germination but in the soil?
Image
Feb 22, 2024 12:35 AM CST
Name: Pat
Columbus, Ohio (Zone 6a)
Annuals Seed Starter Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Native Plants and Wildflowers Garden Art Daylilies
Garden Photography Butterflies Bookworm Plant and/or Seed Trader Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
I haven't heard of using liquid smoke for germination. So I don't know why it is being considered for soil application. What would the theoretical or expected benefit be?

Pat
Knowledge isn’t free. You have to pay attention.
- Richard P. Feynman
Image
Feb 22, 2024 1:17 AM CST
Name: Zoë
Albuquerque NM, Elev 5310 ft (Zone 7b)
Bee Lover Salvias Region: New Mexico Herbs Container Gardener Composter
Cat Lover Butterflies Bookworm Birds Enjoys or suffers hot summers
Pat, Google it. Lots of info. Interesting. Example:

https://www.weforum.org/agenda...
Last edited by NMoasis Feb 22, 2024 1:18 AM Icon for preview
Image
Feb 22, 2024 4:23 PM CST
California Central Valley (Zone 8b)
Region: California
That's weirdly fascinating. I wonder if the plants growing back in burn areas are healthier because of their close brush with death and the smoke in the soil. Next question... What is wood smoke made of?

https://dec.alaska.gov/air/anp....

And

https://dec.alaska.gov/air/anp....

Hmmm.... I'm not sure i'll be putting liquid smoke on my vegetable garden. But all those oxides are probably what's good for the plants.
Image
Feb 22, 2024 5:41 PM CST
Name: Zoë
Albuquerque NM, Elev 5310 ft (Zone 7b)
Bee Lover Salvias Region: New Mexico Herbs Container Gardener Composter
Cat Lover Butterflies Bookworm Birds Enjoys or suffers hot summers
One article I read explained that liquid smoke is produced by forcing smoke through water, like a bong.

@timapexcom Sorry no one has answered your question yet. Obviously some of us are just learning about this, although the science goes back several years. Still, I don't think it's mainstream practice, so more answers might take awhile.

Meanwhile, thanks for an interesting question!
Image
Feb 22, 2024 5:49 PM CST
Taos, New Mexico (Zone 5b)
Crescit Eundo
Greenhouse Lover of wildlife (Black bear badge) Region: New Mexico
Don't confuse the lab made liquid smoke that the scientists used in the experiments noted above with the commercial food product "liquid smoke". The commercial product is full of additives and only a little smoke. Here's the ingredient list from one of the more popular brands:

Water, Natural Flavor, Tamari Soy Sauce (Water, Soybeans, Salt, Sugar), Distilled Vinegar, Sugar, Salt, Caramel Color, Garlic & Onion.

As you can see it contains a lot of stuff that isn't smoke and that you might not want on your plants.
Image
Feb 22, 2024 6:01 PM CST
Name: Zoë
Albuquerque NM, Elev 5310 ft (Zone 7b)
Bee Lover Salvias Region: New Mexico Herbs Container Gardener Composter
Cat Lover Butterflies Bookworm Birds Enjoys or suffers hot summers
Yeah, didn't think those Aggie scientists were raiding Albertson's condiments section.
Whistling
Image
Feb 22, 2024 6:26 PM CST
Name: Sandy B.
Ford River Twp, Michigan UP (Zone 4b)
(Zone 4b-maybe 5a)
Charter ATP Member Bee Lover Butterflies Birds I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
Seed Starter Vegetable Grower Greenhouse Region: United States of America Region: Michigan Enjoys or suffers cold winters
This is definitely a new concept for me! Hopefully someone here will have more information Crossing Fingers! .
“Think occasionally of the suffering of which you spare yourself the sight." ~ Albert Schweitzer
C/F temp conversion
Image
Feb 22, 2024 8:41 PM CST
Name: Sally
central Maryland (Zone 7b)
See you in the funny papers!
Charter ATP Member Frogs and Toads Houseplants Keeper of Poultry Vegetable Grower Region: Maryland
Composter Native Plants and Wildflowers Organic Gardener Region: United States of America Cat Lover Birds
I wonder if any beneficial smoke components are in the wood ash and charcoal that I throw in my garden? Crossing Fingers!
Plant it and they will come.
Image
Feb 23, 2024 11:06 AM CST
Name: Rick R.
Minneapolis,MN, USA z4b,Dfb/a
Garden Photography The WITWIT Badge Seed Starter Wild Plant Hunter Region: Minnesota Hybridizer
Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Identifier Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
Really surprised with all the "I never knew" comments. I guess it's because I've always been fascinated with seed biology since the beginning; I've known about smoke speculations regarding seed germination for 45 years. Do-it-yourself "specialists" have been experimenting with all kinds of scenarios:
-- bought liquid smoke
-- fashioning tiny chambers to expose seed to smoke
-- different kinds of smoke
-- burning tiny bonfires of quick burning dried grass, straw, etc. right on seeded pots and watering in afterwards.

Once, I was really going to try it with Viola beckwithii seed, but never got to it. If you search the more specialist plant sites like the PBS or SRGC forum achieves, I am sure you find hits.
When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers. - Socrates
Avatar for pegnem
Mar 2, 2024 11:56 AM CST
Name: Emmett Hoebel
Oldsmar, Florida (Zone 10a)
Always glad to help.
I wouldn't use liquid smoke. After wood and grasses have burned phosphorus and potassium are left behind. Especially the potassium. Here in Florida a grass fire clears the area up to the base of Sabal palms and the dead leaves of palmetto. A good rain brings out new growth especially palms that have serotinous cones, seeds that need fire to break dormancy, and fronds on palmetto which has a large root system. Rain dissolves the minerals in the ash and washes them into the soil. It's beautiful to see the bright green growth against the blackened earth. So it's not the smoke. Take some wood ashes from the fireplace or grill and put them in water. Wait several weeks and use the potassium rich water. Do what you will with the sunken ash.
Avatar for CalPolygardener
Mar 2, 2024 3:57 PM CST
California (Zone 9b)
I wonder what the soybean and sunflower crops in Canada will be like this Summer after the wildfires last year.
I knew Matilija Poppies and some Restios needed smoke for seed germination, but growing plants is a new one for me. You'd think all the cooking fires in developing countries would have an effect similar to the experiments if it were going to work.
Image
Mar 2, 2024 8:53 PM CST
Name: Rj
Just S of the twin cities of M (Zone 4b)
Forum moderator Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Plant Identifier Garden Ideas: Level 1
As Yogi Berra said, “It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future.”
Only the members of the Members group may reply to this thread.
Member Login:

( No account? Join now! )

Today's site banner is by fiwit and is called "Gazing at More Stars"

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.