@Hazelcrestmikeb
Thanks for the help.
I guess that makes sense, I've killed hundreds of these
over the last few weeks, 40 or so of my desert roses were loaded with them.
These are oleander aphids, are the ones on the rudbeckias a later stage of them or are they a different type of aphid?
Also, can I just spray those with insecticidal soap like I did with the ones on the desert roses?