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Jul 2, 2014 6:19 PM CST
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So this new scape would not be considered a re-bloom? The first blooms on that scape bloomed on June 9th. A re-bloom would be a separate scape?
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Jul 2, 2014 6:23 PM CST
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No it would not be considered a rebloom since it is coming from the same scape, it would be one of the branches that would normally come out of the bract. So yes a rebloom would be a separate scape.
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Jul 2, 2014 6:26 PM CST
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Thanks, Michele!

I've never seen this happen before, so I wasn't sure what was going on. I couldn't imagine that tiny prolif making a scape that size! Kinda funny actually .... Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Just when I think I've seen it all ... I am once again surprised! Blinking Thumbs up
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Jul 3, 2014 7:46 AM CST
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I have had prolifs bloom before. It doesn't happen that often but it is strange.
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Jul 4, 2014 2:42 AM CST
Name: Glen Ingram
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@admmad Maurice, just a question on these reblooms. First is High Endeavour and the second is Spacecoast Ruffles

Notice how endeavour has two "leaves" that form a "capsule" from which the buds emerge.

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Notice how SR has no such thing but maybe the "two leaves" are vestigial.

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I wonder why the difference. The first seems to be more like the species.
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Jul 4, 2014 4:06 AM CST
Name: Tina
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Do you mean that the bracts on your re-blooms are different than what you saw on their first scape of the season, Glen? Sorry if you only want Maurice to answer, but I didn't see a capsule in your first photo, just bracts (the vestigial leaves you mention, that are associated with the reproductive parts of a flowering plant).

I've never heard that bracts might look different between initial and later scapes, or that species have one type of bract appearance and cultivars another. But if a particular cultivar has bracts that differ between bloom and rebloom, as can happen with flowers that vary quite a bit between initial bloom and rebloom, it would be very interesting.

Species have very different bracts from each other, just like cultivars. There are a number of examples of different types of species bracts in The thread "Hemerocallis Species, Hybrids, and Genetics. Terry McGarty." in Daylilies forum ... just search for "bract" to find them. So, I think your cultivar bracts are just showing normal variation along a spectrum between the different kind of bracts found in various daylily species, no?

Maybe Maurice will have more pictures and information to add? Thumbs up
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Jul 4, 2014 9:38 AM CST
Name: Maurice
Grey Highlands, Ontario (Zone 5a)
Gleni said:@admmad Maurice, just a question on these reblooms. First is High Endeavour and the second is Spacecoast Ruffles
I wonder why the difference. The first seems to be more like the species.


@Gleni Glen,There is a little bit more information that might help suggest why the difference. How many buds does the rebloom scape on Spacecoast Ruffles have? And how many buds does Spacecoast Ruffles have normally?

My apologies but I won't be able to get back to this thread until late Sunday as I will be away from my garden and my computer.
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Aug 8, 2014 5:22 AM CST
Name: Maurice
Grey Highlands, Ontario (Zone 5a)
I have watched scapes developing on many different cultivars in the past few weeks and tried taking photos that would show different stages in the development of the scape. Unfortunately I am a very poor photographer and the photos are not useful.

I think there are two possibilities for the differences in the scape and bud structure between 'High Endeavour' and 'Spacecoast Ruffles'.

One is that the scapes are different ages and at different stages of development.

When the scape first appears and is still tiny the bracts (leaf-like structures along the scape stem) surround the buds and seem 'protective'. But as the scape elongates the distance between the bracts and the buds increases until finally the buds are no longer enveloped by the bracts.

The other possibility is that the scape on 'Spacecoast Ruffles' may be similar to scapes produced by smaller fans, that is, has fewer buds. It may be somewhat abnormal.

I have watched scapes developing on Hemerocallis fulva 'Europa', the common ditchlily, now. None of the cultivars that I watched developed scapes that were different (bracts protective when the scape was small but not when it had elongated) so if 'Spacecoast Ruffles' has scapes that always develop without protective bracts (of the buds) even in their very early stages then it might be genetically different.
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Aug 8, 2014 6:08 AM CST
Name: Glen Ingram
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Maurice, I had totally overlooked this and went off to Melbourne. Apologies. *Blush*
Many thanks for commenting.
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