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Aug 2, 2014 8:47 PM CST
Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
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Well, what an interesting thread. I somehow missed the start of this topic!

Karen - I'm glad you aren't so shy, that you started this thread! Thumbs up

I, too, use the micro-sprinklers. I love them! I used the DIG brand and have a lot of fun installing them around my garden beds. What a great concept! They definitely don't use anywhere near the amount of water that regular sprinklers use. I typically water mine in the late afternoons. Most areas are starting to get shade as the sun heads toward the west sky. But the heat still dries most of the plants before dark, even with soil that remains moist. Seems to work out really well for my plants.

I've had a very interesting Spring/Summer season with my daylilies. The daylilies planted in full sun had rust (rust has gone dormant now that the temps are higher). But the partial shade daylilies are still looking good. There is some rust, but truly nothing compared to what it was last year when these same plants were in full sun. I am amazed! I don't know why so little rust in the semi-shaded beds. I actually have two beds and all those daylilies look great! I'd say 90% of them were rust buckets last year, so go figure?! Is it the shade, the first year I've used alfalfa, better watering this year ... I honestly don't know. But this is the first year I've had the majority of last year's plants looking so much better.

Something else ... When does everyone typically gets reblooms on their daylilies ... especially those folks in Florida? I was outside today watering and checking the plants and noticed reblooming scapes. But only in the partial shade beds. Not in the full sun beds. In fact, the majority of my daylilies that are in full sun did not even bloom at all this year. Go figure on that! I fertilized them ALL with alfalfa and Milorganite, too, in the Spring. And periodically give all daylilies (in full sun and partial shade beds) alfalfa tea mixed with fish emulsion. So what is going on? I am stumped.

I asked about reblooming daylilies because I've never had daylilies rebloom for me. Ever. So is it the partial shade or is it the fertilizing with alfalfa? And I've never had blooms this late (in August)! I have 4 plants with scapes right now. Only one is not a rebloomer. It is a seedling blooming for the first time that I sowed back in the Fall (Oct. 2013). The other 3 plants are reblooming. I can't believe it! I am so thrilled. Happy and healthy plants apparently.
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Aug 3, 2014 12:32 AM CST
Name: Tina
Where the desert meets the sea (Zone 9b)
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Seed, my phrasing is horrible, isn't it? Sorry ... you mentioned that last year without added Milorganite-nitrogen you experienced thorough rust, and that this year after adding Milorganite-nitrogen you are experiencing no rust. As a statement, that seemed to define a general condition that, without a larger picture about weather to put it into, might seem to call into question the research findings that higher levels of nitrogren may increase susceptibility to rust? (Like, you had no extra nitrogen and got bad rust last year, then added extra nitrogen and didn't get rust this year, so how could nitrogen be linked with increased susceptibility to rust?) I appreciate the qualifications you made, and I like to think of data collected in research as at least a good starting point for exploration by us home gardeners when it may help point to things we cannot see or observe directly (such as this, rust dormancy, ploidy, etc.). Sue's note that the Milorganite concentration of nitrogen would be low when used at recommended dosage also speaks to it not likely to have increased a susceptibility to rust.

So, my question only sought to look at the flip-side to Sue's question about possible colder winter weather. If your spring 2014 temps stayed more in a range where rust is likely to develop (below 86) after you added nitrogen this year, and no rust developed after adding nitrogen, I could better understand your statement (temperature conditions would have been optimal, and even after adding nitrogen of any small level, no rust appeared). But if temps were high, then any small or large level of added nitrogen might still have increased general susceptibility for rust, even though heat might have suppressed it (just like sprays and colder winter weather might do, too, as was mentioned).

The 86 degrees is just from a University of Georgia inoculation of daylilies at a few different temperatures that found that those incubated around 86 Fahrenheit had significantly less disease observed over 15 days. The drop-off was steep, both below 50 and above 86 degrees. But, 86 or 92, its still a pretty tight range where researchers seem to have found some temperatures that, all by themselves, could put rust into dormancy until lower temperatures bring it back to the surface where it can be seen. I don't see it as a hard and fast "on or off switch" point, but just as a possible range where research found rust dormancy occurring.

I know its pretty hard to remember past climate, so I looked at historical data (I use it to check on my own garden each year), and it seemed that temps in your area during spring 2013 looked mostly below 80 (April 2013), with much more temperate weather for the first week of May (upper 60s) and not nearing 86 for highs until the last ten days of May 2013. That sounds like ideal temperatures for rust. But, for spring 2014, temps looked pretty close to the 86 degree mark for about half of April, and at or above 90 from May onward. So, maybe it is possible that this year's weather alone might suppress rust in your area, even if general susceptibility were slightly increased with a higher level of nitrogen? I'm not saying that is the case ... just that information on temperature might add to the overall context, and that is why I asked. Climate also looked similar for your weather in FL, Becky ... temps below 85 all the way through May 2013 with three times more rain than this year (ripe for rust?), but 90 and above with much less rain by early June 2014 (more likely for weather to cause rust dormancy?). Like we all have said, it is hard to know what conditions, practices, and yearly soil and weather conditions might increase or decrease the visible appearance of rust. So, it is even more applaudable that people who have rust this year might donate samples, by arranging to send infected leaves to Sue (if she is still collecting them), in order for her to supply a current research effort with a collection from different areas of the country.

Regarding rebloom, I too am amazed at it occurring here! We've have four waves of 100+ degree weather, and this last week averaged about 102 each day, but here come some buds from deep in my blast furnace garden! I have watered a bit more during the heat waves than I did last year, and more regularly every day or every other day depending on whether it is 95 or 105. It may have helped. I can't wait to see if it might have made it possible for a real full-garden re-bloom season once temps drop. If not, it might mean cooler weather comes just too late in the summer for an all-garden re-bloom anyway, and then I should likely go back to less water next year (hard to justify the extra water when we are in drought and can be fined $500 for even the tiniest run-off). Eeeks. So, I'm enjoying it immensely while it lasts!
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Aug 3, 2014 4:46 AM CST
Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4b)
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"And, what might be too low of a pH for daylilies?"

The level at which they start to look sick! That seems like a facetious answer but actually there is no published research on the pH range for daylilies. In an article about daylilies: http://pss.uvm.edu/ppp/pubs/oh... Sinclair Adam Jr. (who did the daylily nitrogen study published in the Daylily Journal and the link I posted earlier) suggests a range of 5.5 to 6.5. I'm thinking that's probably about right, even as low as 5 may be OK, acid-loving plants like rhododendrons and azaleas can go even lower than that. Most of the problems I've heard of came from a pH that was too high suggesting at least some cultivars prefer a more acidic soil. Also, if growing in soilless media, the pH can safely be lower than in mineral soil.

Re the rust study, yes as far as I know rust infected leaves are still required but don't send them to me. Contact me (or Becky) privately and we'll give you the instructions and address where to send, direct to the university.
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Aug 3, 2014 5:22 AM CST
Name: Frank Richards
Clinton, Michigan (Zone 5b)

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Here in Rural South East Michigan, I generally do not water the garden. Last year I had soaker hose (on programmable timers) in seven of my gardens. This year I went down to two.

These 2 gardens have many of my dahlias and vegetables. I have yet to water this year. We have had ample water this year so far. The grass is still green & growing. Since I do not water the grass, it usually turns completely brown in the Summer. It's my mowing hiatus.

I try to plant new specimens in the Spring or Fall. If I plant in the Summer (Lowe's Sale), I hand water. If I plant something on the roadside, I fill the front-loader bucket with water to carry it down to the road (1/4 mile).

I usually mix compost in the soil when planting. Also, this is when I sometimes use a timed release fertilizer (especially for Dahlias). In past years I did not use fertilizer at all.

After reading this thread, I am thinking that I will try using alfalfa pellets. Seems like a natural way to sustain a garden.
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Aug 3, 2014 6:05 AM CST
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Name: Karen
Minnesota (Zone 4a)
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So glad I asked the question as this has all been very interesting. Now I have another question. I sprinkled my alfalfa pellets around all my new plants, and watered them all down. Now I have a puffed up bunch of pellets in my garden that look sort of weird. Is this how I was suppose to do it, or should I have dug them in around each plant???
I am also interested in selling some of my Daylilies or maybe trading some. What is the best way to go about that, and is this site a good reliable place to do that?
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Aug 3, 2014 6:17 AM CST
Name: Michele
Cantonment, FL zone 8b
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Cookies4kids said:So glad I asked the question as this has all been very interesting. Now I have another question. I sprinkled my alfalfa pellets around all my new plants, and watered them all down. Now I have a puffed up bunch of pellets in my garden that look sort of weird. Is this how I was suppose to do it, or should I have dug them in around each plant???
I am also interested in selling some of my Daylilies or maybe trading some. What is the best way to go about that, and is this site a good reliable place to do that?


Yes they are suppose to puff up Smiling They will eventually break down and not be all puffy. Since we water daily here it's not an issue and they break down pretty fast and aren't puffy. What you can do is rake them around with whatever garden tool you have to spread them out if the puffiness is an issue
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Aug 3, 2014 6:23 AM CST
Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
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Sue - I am still waiting to have some active rust on my plants to send some leaves to the University. Been a weird summer.

Tina - I didn't even consider the weather or the amount of rain we've had this year. Which makes me think of something else. I water my plants with well water. I don't know how acidic it is. But rain water has a lot of acidity in it. I wonder if that could play a part in the presence or not of rust?
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Aug 3, 2014 6:40 AM CST
Name: Pat
Near McIntosh, Florida (Zone 9a)
Becky, rain can also provide nitrogen, depending on lightening...about 4%, I think.
Lightening is heavy where I live, so it may be more here.

(During heavy storms, it has been seen dancing in the power lines;
once saw rare ball lightening blow out a transformer across the road.)

Plants love it!
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Aug 3, 2014 7:20 AM CST
Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
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Pat - I think the acid in rain also helps here in FL. Our soil is so alkaline. All my plants perk up and look much more alive after it rains. I am sure the nitrogen is also a big factor! I didn't realize that about lightning. Cool!
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Aug 3, 2014 7:27 AM CST
Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
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Karen - As far as "selling" daylilies, the Lily Auction would probably be a place to start. Though it is highly competitive and everyone has their favorite sellers. http://www.daylily.com/cgi-bin...

As far as trading plants, perhaps here? Maybe some here would do a trade with you. I don't know. I don't share plants because I garden organically .... my plants have a history of rust, leaf streak, and the occasional pest. (Those are things I DON'T want to share with others!) I like to keep all the bad stuff exclusively in my own garden. Whistling Hilarious! Hilarious! Thumbs up
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Aug 3, 2014 7:30 AM CST
Name: Michele
Cantonment, FL zone 8b
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Cookies4kids said:
I am also interested in selling some of my Daylilies or maybe trading some. What is the best way to go about that, and is this site a good reliable place to do that?


I forgot to reply on this. There is a classified section on here where people sell and trade. I have used it and never had any issues http://garden.org/forums/view/...

As mentioned there is the lily auction also but if you only have a small amount to sell (plus trade) then maybe here would be better. Thumbs up
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Aug 3, 2014 7:36 AM CST
Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
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I meant to suggest the classifieds here on ATP, too! Glad Michele added that! I agree Thumbs up
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Aug 3, 2014 9:41 AM CST
Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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beckygardener,
I would think where you are you should get tremendous re-bloom from your plants. So why no re-bloom? The only thing I could think of looking at what you wrote would possibility be depth they are planted. I am assuming you have sandy soil, and you mentioned that you moved the shade plants from the sunny location. So is it possible that the plants in the sunny location have sunken down deeper and they newly planted ones are now not as deep?
I am getting re-bloom right now in zone 8b.
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Aug 3, 2014 9:58 AM CST
Name: Elaine
Sarasota, Fl
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Becky, as far as the pH of your well water, it's pretty easy to test it. If you have a swimming pool, you can use your pool test kit to do the pH test. If not, borrow one from a neighbor, get a bucket of your well water and test. My well water here comes in at around 8.2, a very alkaline pH for most plants. Yours is most likely close to that, as all Florida's water comes through the limestone aquifer.

I can tell if we have a long period with no rain and I have to water with the well water for a couple of weeks. I start to see iron chlorosis - yellowing of the leaves on certain plants like the Heliconias very quickly. Then I go out and water those guys with some rain water from the rain barrels (as long as that lasts) to enable them to start using the soil nutrients again.

The rain water I collect in my rain barrels is a little below neutral (acid) but not much. My cisterns collect water off my dh's shop, and that roof area is under an oak tree so we get oak leaf 'tea' if there are a lot of leaves falling. That water can be a little more acidic, down to 6.5 or so.
Elaine

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Aug 3, 2014 10:32 AM CST
Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
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Seedfork - All my plants are newly planted into all the different beds this year. Most were dug up and transplanted. And I added new seedlings to one of the full sun beds. I have no clue as to why the shade beds have produced many blooming daylilies and the full sun beds have not. The full sun bed in my front border has daylilies that are the exact same age as the ones in the shade beds. (2 years old for most of them.) They were all divided into single fans, too. Go figure!

They were all grown from (unknown parentage) seeds and planted wherever in no particular order. I was expecting the full sun plants to do better blooming. And I was expecting them ALL to have rust fungus. But the results have been rather surprising and perplexing. And now to be getting rebloomers! Wow! VERY unusual this year. But I do LIKE it!!!! Thumbs up I'll take this odd year any time! Big Grin

Elaine - I am sure my well water ph is pretty close to yours as I do see iron chlorosis in a few plant species when we don't get rain and all they get watered with is well water. I try to collect rain water in 5 gallon buckets I have in one area of roof run off. And it works most times, but I can go through 15-20 gallons of water pretty quickly with all the plants in my garden and the summer heat. What's a gardener to do? ... (sigh)
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Aug 3, 2014 12:55 PM CST
Name: Elaine
Sarasota, Fl
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Cool and wet this spring was, I think, the most unusual thing for us in Florida this year. A lot of things in my garden have done well with a kick start of all that extra rain through March and early April, usually warm and dry to hot and dry.

Your full sun daylilies might just be drying out faster than the ones in partial shade, Becky. Our sandy soil does dry quickly in the sun of summer. More mulch? The organic amendments also break down faster in the heat - direct sun for longer certainly keeps the soil warmer.

Certainly more alfalfa pellets for the full sun ones will help if only for the addition of those wonderful cellulose fibers working down into the sandy soil. The nutritional benefits are well known.
Elaine

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Aug 3, 2014 1:44 PM CST
Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
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Elaine - I agree with you about the organic amendments. I give all of them alfalfa tea fertilizer every few weeks (at least once a month). All of them! This Spring was warmer here where I am, not cooler for me. It was warm in March and started getting hot the middle of April. So I don't know if temps early on are a factor or not. No real blooms until the beginning of May.

I have also been using the alfalfa tea on all my other plants, too! (In the ground and in pots.) You should see my Brugs. Best summer they have ever had! I am so amazed if it is the alfalfa. Sure am sold on that product! It could be a combination of things, I suppose. Whatever it is, I hope the following years and this Fall are just as good! I'm getting spoiled having such nice looking plants and lots of blooms even in July and August .... so far! I could see my future garden blooming all summer! Whistling Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Thumbs up
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Aug 3, 2014 7:43 PM CST
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Name: Karen
Minnesota (Zone 4a)
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Thanks again, everyone for all the answers. I am going to go through the daylily pics on here and pick those I can't live without, lol. Maybe I can make some trades sometime in the future. Hope you all have a good week!! Thank You! Thank You!
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Aug 4, 2014 2:14 PM CST
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Cookies4kids said:So glad I asked the question as this has all been very interesting. Now I have another question. I sprinkled my alfalfa pellets around all my new plants, and watered them all down. Now I have a puffed up bunch of pellets in my garden that look sort of weird. Is this how I was suppose to do it, or should I have dug them in around each plant???
I am also interested in selling some of my Daylilies or maybe trading some. What is the best way to go about that, and is this site a good reliable place to do that?


There is a classified ads forum here on ATP where you can advertise your plants for sale.
You can also keep your trade list current and mention that you are interested in trading when you post the ad for your sale. That way if someone has something you want and vice versa you can just set up a trade instead of selling the plant to them. Usually with a trade each one pays to ship their box out. you can set up paypal or take money orders or just whatever you set up. Most people mail with priority since it is live plants.

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