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Dec 22, 2014 8:19 AM CST
Name: josephine
Arlington, Texas (Zone 8a)
Hi Everybody!! Let us talk native.
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Well, I can see how people might be reluctant or afraid to kill a butterfly, they are so beautiful, but collectors kill them for their collections all the time.
The truth is that we kill other insects without a second thought, and larger animals are killed all the time for food or sport.
So it seems that killing a butterfly in order to avoid larger problems, especially disease, is the right thing to do.
Bless you for doing the necessary although unpleasant task.
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Dec 22, 2014 1:55 PM CST
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Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
Butterflies Enjoys or suffers hot summers Hummingbirder Birds Bee Lover Bookworm
Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
Very true. What I can't fathom is the collectors who raise a butterfly, wait for its wings to dry, and then pin it while it's still "perfect". What the heck, man? When I was researching the Queen Alexandra's Birdwing butterfly a while back I was reading about how poachers now collect and rear the caterpillars instead of catching the butterfly and risking damage to it because they can get more money for a butterfly in better condition. I read they go for $5,000 on the black market! I would love to see one, but I surely wouldn't want to have a collection unless it was a bunch of photographs. Those are just fine with me.

Interestingly, I read that when the initial scientist (some old British guy, I think, LOL) went to Papua New Guinea to study the Birdwing, he found that the female butterflies had an average of twenty-some eggs. I think it was 24. Now, most of us have read in our books that butterflies tend to have 200-400 eggs on average. It made me wonder why the Birdwing is so different. I imagine their caterpillars must have a higher success rate (when not being poached). They eat a type of pipevine, but whereas in North and South America we have the genus Aristolochia, in Papua New Guinea the cats eat a genus called Pararistolochia. I don't know if those pipevines have more of the toxic chemical in them or not. Makes me wonder, though.
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Dec 23, 2014 10:10 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
Butterflies Enjoys or suffers hot summers Hummingbirder Birds Bee Lover Bookworm
Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
It's really cloudy here and there's an 80% chance of rain tomorrow. So bad butterfly weather. But the cats and the pupa don't care!

I found a Monarch cat that I apparently missed when I was gathering them for the museum. He's about the same size as the ones at the museum and I thought they had grown an awful lot in one week. But apparently, I can raise super Monarchs, too!

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Meanwhile, I checked my Monarch chrysalis that's been in there for 20 days now and it's finally turning colors! You can see the tint of orange on the wings through the chrysalis. I don't think it will come out tomorrow which is good because, 80% chance of rain. It will probably be a Christmas butterfly which is awesome because the weather is supposed to be better that day. I could bring it in, but I'm not taking my chances with nature right now. I tried to get a picture of my Gulf Frit cat yesterday and knocked him off the vine and on to the ground. He's not big enough to see so I don't know where he landed. There are quite a few weeds at the base of the passion vine but I hope he makes it back to his host plant. Sad

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Dec 24, 2014 2:46 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
Butterflies Enjoys or suffers hot summers Hummingbirder Birds Bee Lover Bookworm
Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
Well, I had quite the surprise today. I went out to check on my Monarch and saw this.

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But then, on a leaf right behind it, I saw this.

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And for a moment, I was like... Confused

But then I realized my Monarch had safely emerged and flew away and another caterpillar had made its chrysalis. I checked around the base of the plant and there was no sign of a Monarch so I'm assuming it safely flew away. Kind of odd that I didn't see a caterpillar in its "J" yesterday, but Monarchs make their chrysalises a little faster than other caterpillars so I could have missed it by a couple of hours.

Merry Christmas everyone!
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Dec 24, 2014 3:28 PM CST
Name: josephine
Arlington, Texas (Zone 8a)
Hi Everybody!! Let us talk native.
Native Plants and Wildflowers Organic Gardener Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Butterflies Garden Ideas: Master Level Forum moderator
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database. Charter ATP Member Plant Identifier Birds Cat Lover
Merry Christmas to you as well Melanie Smiling
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Gardening with Texas Native Plants and Wildflowers.
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Dec 24, 2014 5:22 PM CST
Name: Margaret
Near Kamloops, BC, Canada (Zone 3a)
Region: Canadian Lover of wildlife (Black bear badge) Tip Photographer Garden Ideas: Master Level I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Charter ATP Member
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Merry Christmas Melanie, I hope Santa is good to you! Smiling
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Dec 24, 2014 5:31 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
Butterflies Enjoys or suffers hot summers Hummingbirder Birds Bee Lover Bookworm
Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
You know, at this point I just really hope my pagan brother (not kidding about that) doesn't interrupt my mother when she tries, like she does every year, to say a prayer before we eat. Yeah, my house is a little messed up. But my next therapy session is on January 8 so maybe I'll just have plenty to talk about. Rolling on the floor laughing

At least I get to eat turkey. Last week Mom was like, "We're not having turkey for Christmas." And I told her if she was making a ham I was out of there (nothing against ham). And she was like, "No we're going to bake a chicken." And then I found out my brother (who believes everything is better with chipotle) would be cooking it. So I started looking at movie times so I could just vanish from the house entirely. But then Dad stepped in and was like, "We're having turkey. I want turkey." Even though Mom said I was the only one who wanted a turkey. It's like, darnit, I get two days per year when I get turkey and all the fixings and is that too much to ask? If she needed help, I would try my best. I can chop stuff and stir things. Arrggh...holidays are too stressful. If I had kids, I think I would be bald from pulling out all my hair.

You guys always listen to my rants. Big hugs! Group hug
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Dec 24, 2014 5:39 PM CST
Name: Margaret
Near Kamloops, BC, Canada (Zone 3a)
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Melanie, to me Christmas time is turkey time, it's the only time of year we have it. Drooling

And I sure agree about stress this time of year. Group hug Group hug
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Dec 24, 2014 6:12 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
Butterflies Enjoys or suffers hot summers Hummingbirder Birds Bee Lover Bookworm
Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
What, you don't eat turkey on Canadian Thanksgiving? Is that just a United States thing?
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Dec 24, 2014 6:39 PM CST
Name: Margaret
Near Kamloops, BC, Canada (Zone 3a)
Region: Canadian Lover of wildlife (Black bear badge) Tip Photographer Garden Ideas: Master Level I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Charter ATP Member
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Some do, but I think if you have it at TG you don't enjoy it as much at Christmas, because you have had so much leftovers to eat fron TG.. Hilarious! We had ham this year, other years roast beef or pork. Sticking tongue out
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Dec 28, 2014 11:56 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
Butterflies Enjoys or suffers hot summers Hummingbirder Birds Bee Lover Bookworm
Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
I'm not sure how I made it to the museum today, but I did. I've been asleep for the better part of the last three days. I know I have chronic fatigue syndrome, but sometimes it just really hits me hard. Like today, I was in the flight cage and there was a family by the outside door. And I said the museum doesn't open until 10 am, but if they wanted to they could come in since I was there. So I spent about twenty minutes showing them the butterflies and caterpillars and educating. But man, by the time I was done I thought I was going to pass out! I went back in the lab, put the AC on full blast and just chilled out in a chair. So I didn't spend too long at the museum today, but I got some nice pictures. I released eighteen butterflies and we have a decent amount for this time of year, but the variety of species is quite limited.

I did get to release a few White Peacocks, including this one that flew off my hand as soon as the camera came out. It's like, suddenly they learn how to fly!

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And we still have a good number of Malachites. Since the Atalas and Malachites are both South Florida butterflies, I wondered how they would react once we had cooler weather. The Atalas are nearly gone (we literally have one caterpillar) but the Malachites are still hanging in there with a pretty strong population. Here's a little trivia - the Malachites use two plants as hosts that are invasive exotics - the Mexican petunia and the Green Shrimp Plant. I thought the shrimp plant was native, but I was wrong. Both are in the Ruellia family, but I would suggest the native Carolina Petunia (Ruellia caroliniensis). The FSU website says Malachites will eat petunias and black-eyed susans so I say go with the native species. Seriously, those Mexican Petunias can get out of hand fast! And everyone around here grows them because Home Depot sells them and says, "They're so easy to grow!" But they don't tell you they're invasive. I've also had several people tell me theirs were nice for the first few years and then just looked really scraggly and didn't bloom like before. Shrug!

Anyway, one more thing about host plants before I get to pictures...you can also use Ruellia for White Peacocks and Buckeyes, so it does triple duty! Also, funny story, I was reading the paper this week and there was an article about what gifts you can get for your pets (not kidding). Since I have fish, I smirked and thought, "Okay, tell me what my fish want for Christmas." And the article said why not try live, aquatic plants instead of the plastic plants. And it listed a few including lemon bacopa. And that's when the light bulb went on over my head. (We need that emoticon, FYI.) Lemon bacopa (not to be confused with other plants they call bacopa but aren't) is an aquatic plant and for a long time we had it growing in our water feature at MOSI. And I would straddle the middle of the stream and fish the caterpillars off the stalks while the guests looked at me like I'd lost my mind. I know I've never seen it for sale at a nursery, but I'm totally checking out the pet store next time I'm in there. "Why yes, I'm going to grow this for my caterpillars. The fish can totally keep the plastic plants." Rolling on the floor laughing

Okay, here's some Malachite pictures. The family I talked to was really impressed how they look different on each side.

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We still have a lot of Zebra Longwings and I released even more. This one looks like it's preparing for takeoff on the pipevine. You know how butterflies "taste" with their feet to find their host plant? I wonder if they ever sit on a plant and go "Yuck!" I mean, do they just know it's the wrong plant, or is it actually repellent in some way? I would think most plants would have to be okay because even when they nectar a lot of them sit on the leaves. Oh, if I could go inside the tiny mind of a butterfly...

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Oh, and we had two pairs of Zebra Longwings mating in the flight cage. The mom of the family pointed one pair out to me, but I spotted this pair on the ceiling.

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I didn't release any Julias today but there were plenty in the flight cage.

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Back at the house, it was all Monarch cats. I did see a Gulf Frit flying around and a few Cassius Blues, but no one was stopping. So let's just look at some caterpillars! This one has thicker black stripes than most. I always think those are cool. This guy is in my actual butterfly garden.

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But up front on the Giant Milkweed is where most of the action is. My caterpillars got very big, very fast. And we're going to reinforce the lesson that you can look for frass first, then let it lead you to the caterpillar. See the frass on the leaf? And who's behind there?

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Look at the frass going down the leaves! And then we keep going down, turn over a leaf, and there he is!

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Even smaller caterpillars can be easy to find!

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Unfortunately, sometimes you find those that didn't make it. Dead caterpillars attract predators so I highly recommend you get them off your plant! Just throw them to the ground and let the ants take care of it. The caterpillar might have been diseased so you don't want your other caterpillars to come in contact with it.

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That last photo is too depressing to leave you with, so here's a native green anole I found on one of my bromeliads. That tail is super long! He must be a fast anole. Most of them seem like they're always missing a tail or in the process of growing it back. But look at this guy!

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Dec 28, 2014 12:18 PM CST
central Illinois
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Nice pics, I really like the Malachites and the White Peacock. Good ending w/ the anole!
Nothing that's been done can ever be changed.
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Dec 28, 2014 12:32 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
Butterflies Enjoys or suffers hot summers Hummingbirder Birds Bee Lover Bookworm
Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
Thanks, Jack! Besides eating some of the same plants, Malachite and White Peacock caterpillars look very similar, too. White Peacocks are like miniature versions of the Malachite. Come to think of it, the chrysalis is like a miniature of the Malachite, too.

Ever since I went on my invasive Cuban Tree Frog killing spree, I've noticed those native anoles (and native tree frogs) have made a comeback in my yard. Unfortunately, I'm going to have to go on a killing spree again. I've got some Cuban frogs living in my bromeliads. Thumbs down Not my favorite thing to do, but Dad usually helps. Got to keep the invasives in check somehow. I even ended up talking to that family today about why the non-native Red-Eared Sliders (turtles) are bad in this environment. They just out-compete the other turtles for food. At least I have the opportunity to educate, even if it's one person at a time.
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Jan 1, 2015 1:56 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
Butterflies Enjoys or suffers hot summers Hummingbirder Birds Bee Lover Bookworm
Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
Keeping it going in the New Year! Let's move along, shall we: The thread "January 2015 Butterflies, Moths & Larva" in Gardening for Butterflies, Birds and Bees forum

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