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Apr 14, 2015 4:15 PM CST
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Name: Liz Best
Columbiana Alabama (Zone 8a)
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You guys are right--the name really doesn't matter that much. Finding a name for a NOID is just a fun puzzle. I never even put tags with my peonies until I discovered the forums a few years ago so I probably have around 100 NOIDs! A few are distinctive enough to recognize but when you start trying on a light pink double.....Plus I have a couple that I like so much that I want to get additional plants, can't find anything that matches, though.
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Apr 15, 2015 10:52 AM CST
Name: Diann
Lisbon, IA
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Liz, check out the cultivar data sheets or gallery at the Heartland Peony Society web site. It's a nice little tool.

http://www.peonies.org/index.s...
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Apr 17, 2015 8:08 AM CST
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Name: Jasmin
Toronto, Ontario (Zone 5b)
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@Annette,

Thank you. Walter Faxon is beautiful and very similar. I cannot see red streaks on Walter Faxon though.

It is even possible that I’ve got a seedling from the seed, because there were many peonies in my neighbour’s garden. My first thought was something like Rosea Plena:

http://www.growsonyou.com/phot...

Let’s see if the plant will bloom this year.
"Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better."~Albert Einstein
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Apr 17, 2015 8:26 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Jasmin
Toronto, Ontario (Zone 5b)
Peonies Roses Clematis Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Bee Lover
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The bottom line; names are not important as long as the plants are healthy and we enjoy them. Smiling

On the other hand, trying to id a plant is fun. I’ve learned a lot just by searching for similar plants, comparing details, paying attention on subtle differences, etc. In addition, names are usually given for a reason. Guessing what the breeders saw in their plants and why they gave them certain names is also fun.

Only sometimes may be important to ID a peony; that is, when I need to learn about the plant's origin and care. Other than that, it is really not important. I wish I have some of the NOIDs that I saw here, particularly the small pink NOID that was offered on this forum last year.

On that note, here is one more NOID of mine bought last year. Just couldn’t resist the deep red color. It came across as deep pink on the photo, but it looked quite red to me.

Perhaps Imperial Red?
http://www.peonies.org/flower_...

Or Dancing Butterfly?
http://conservationgardenpark....

What are your thoughts?
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"Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better."~Albert Einstein
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Apr 17, 2015 9:46 AM CST
Name: Diann
Lisbon, IA
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I'm sorry, I have no idea. You are correct tho, that peony does look quite pink in this photo. Sorry.
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Apr 18, 2015 10:53 AM CST
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Name: Jasmin
Toronto, Ontario (Zone 5b)
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Dont' be sorry Diann. I love this peony.

By the way, I saw the first buds above the ground today. Smiling
"Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better."~Albert Einstein
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Apr 23, 2015 12:37 PM CST
Name: Frank Richards
Clinton, Michigan (Zone 5b)

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I hate NOIDs!

I spend countless hours (years) trying to identify my noids.

Yet, I still have noids!

Life's a bitch, then you die. Sighing!
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Apr 23, 2015 6:13 PM CST
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Name: Liz Best
Columbiana Alabama (Zone 8a)
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My friends and non-gardener visitors are perplexed by all of the garden stakes with names on them in my beds! It does look pretty bare in some of them, still, though, the stakes are the tallest things out there right now!
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Apr 23, 2015 6:39 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Jasmin
Toronto, Ontario (Zone 5b)
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I can spend days trying to identify a NOID. I can even wake up in the middle of the night thinking of a NOID, get up and try to google it. Isn't this fun Hilarious!
"Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better."~Albert Einstein
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Apr 23, 2015 8:40 PM CST
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Name: Liz Best
Columbiana Alabama (Zone 8a)
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Right there with you, Jasmin!
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May 11, 2015 9:19 PM CST
Name: Yan H
Westminster, MD (Zone 6b)
Garden Photography Peonies
Jasmin, I know you liked to identify the NOID peony. I had couple of the NOID tree peony despite need help with it. Any ideas? Every one???
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This one got bitten by Rabbit, label as"Hanakisoi" but looks nothing like it.


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This suppose to be "Kamata Nishiki"



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I had been searching on line try to find identify for them but had no luck yet, any advice will be appreciated. Thank you!
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May 13, 2015 5:25 AM CST
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Name: Jasmin
Toronto, Ontario (Zone 5b)
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Love them all. Hilarious! I don't know, I can only guess.

The first one blooms in different shades of pink. Right? That's how it looks like in the picture. Assuming that these are Japanese TPs, could it be that the first one is young Shima Nishiki?

I agree that the seond one looks a bit too red for Hanakisoi. Could the second one be Hoki?

I often visit this site when I need to see the pictures of TPs. You can see whole plants:

http://www.treepeonygarden.com...
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May 13, 2015 12:29 PM CST
Name: Yan H
Westminster, MD (Zone 6b)
Garden Photography Peonies
Thank you ! Jasmin
yeah, I had no ideas with all the NOID TP, and then I found another Japanese website:http://www.botan.or.jp/book1.html
now I'm even more confuse, never know they had so many variety.......
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Jun 23, 2015 6:08 AM CST
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Name: Jasmin
Toronto, Ontario (Zone 5b)
Peonies Roses Clematis Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Bee Lover
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This is an update on the blush NOID that we previously discussed. It bloomed this year, and it was really nice surprise. It is much lighter this year; it is actually white with very little blush. The bloom is rather small. I saw the same bloom at the local flower show, but the lady who brought it told me that it was her NOID too. She told me that her plant must be at least 50 years old.

Here is mine this year:

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Any guesses this year?
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Jun 23, 2015 11:04 AM CST
Name: Annette
Cumming, GA (Zone 8a)
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Jasmin, is fragrant? I would guess Festiva Maxima or Gardenia.
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Jun 23, 2015 6:29 PM CST
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Name: Jasmin
Toronto, Ontario (Zone 5b)
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It's fragrant. The fragrance is kind of fresh, but kind of spicy.

The bloom is rather small, and that's confusing. Confused The lady who brought it to the flower show brought other peonies of hers, so I could compare the blooms. A single Sarah Bernardt bloom is almost two times bigger. That's why I think my NOID is not one of the classics. How big are Gardenia blooms?

You are right, the flowers are similar to gardenia:

http://www.songsparrow.com/cat...

The only thing, mine does not have strong stems and needs support.
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Jun 23, 2015 9:08 PM CST
Name: Annette
Cumming, GA (Zone 8a)
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Your blooms may be smaller because it is a new plant.

From what I recall, the blooms are about 5-6 inches, and have a wonderful fragrance.
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Jun 24, 2015 5:19 AM CST
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Name: Jasmin
Toronto, Ontario (Zone 5b)
Peonies Roses Clematis Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Bee Lover
Cat Lover Lover of wildlife (Raccoon badge) Enjoys or suffers cold winters Region: Canadian Permaculture Garden Ideas: Level 2
Thank you Annette. It can be Gardenia. I would be lovely. The flowers are really similar, but your stems look much stronger.

The old plant from the flower show was more than 50 years old, but it still had small flowers, about 4 inches. We shall see what will happen next year. In any case, I love the peony. Smiling

Your Gardenia is beautiful. I wish I have more space for one like yours.
"Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better."~Albert Einstein
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Jun 24, 2015 5:28 AM CST
Name: Caroline Scott
Calgary (Zone 4a)
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The difference bewtween the two is that Festiva Maxima flowers have green carpels in the center and Gardenia flowers do not have them. (according to the Martin Page book)
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Jun 24, 2015 5:32 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Jasmin
Toronto, Ontario (Zone 5b)
Peonies Roses Clematis Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Bee Lover
Cat Lover Lover of wildlife (Raccoon badge) Enjoys or suffers cold winters Region: Canadian Permaculture Garden Ideas: Level 2
Caroline, interesting. I have bought Festiva maxima last year, but the plant is small, so it didn't bloom this year. Hope it will bloom next year. I love red strikes on peonies.
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