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Aug 5, 2015 2:37 PM CST
Name: Cindy
Hobart, IN zone 5
aka CindyMzone5
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant Identifier
I have 2 or 3 resident frogs - new to the garden this year. They must have moved in from the wetlands (or at least mama moved in and decided to start a family) and decided to stay when we had so much rain and cool weather. I did check and the frogs will eat worms. Might not be a bright future for the red wigglers.
In the past, I would put my worm bin out in a shady, cool corner on the patio but DH's grilling stuff took up my space. Now they reside full time in the garage.
Only when the last tree has died and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught will we realize that we can't eat money. Cree proverb
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Aug 5, 2015 2:44 PM CST
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Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
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Hilarious! Hilarious! Yeah, I had a worse case scenerio .... a rat chewed a hole in my screen porch screen and got into the worm bin and was eating my worms. Grrrrr ....

I replaced the screen and trimmed all the shrubs away from the screen to discourage that behavior. So far, so good. Thumbs up

The rat was desperate as there was no other food in my yard. I hope it has since gone on to rat heaven. But I am not holding my breath .... Sighing!
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Aug 5, 2015 2:44 PM CST
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Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
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My garage gets way too hot in summer for them to reside in there. In Winter though, that is where the worm bin goes. Smiling
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Aug 5, 2015 2:46 PM CST
Name: Cindy
Hobart, IN zone 5
aka CindyMzone5
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant Identifier
Crumbs! Rats! And I thought chipmunks, squirrels and raccoons were a force to be reckoned with.
Only when the last tree has died and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught will we realize that we can't eat money. Cree proverb
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Aug 5, 2015 2:52 PM CST
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Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
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I have squirrels and raccoons, too. But they don't chew holes in my screen porch. They do however do other mischief and get into my garden beds and dig around. But nothing horrible .... yet. I never say "never", as I never cease to be amazed by wildlife. (Which I DO respect and allow some freedom in my yard, but I do have my limitations, too!)
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Aug 5, 2015 4:28 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
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beckygardener said:I don't think they eat live plants like slugs and snails do. I think they would likely just die (starve to death).


Yes! Yes!! Oh, please, don't eat live plants like slugs and snails do!

I was thinking that they would compete with slugs for the organic matter on the soil surface and in the soil, and the slugs would die out.

But you're probably right: the slugs would shift to an all-fresh-foliage diet.
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Aug 5, 2015 4:58 PM CST
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Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
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Ok, this is how naive I am..... I have always thought that slugs ate only fresh foliage for their diet. That is where I typically find them in my yard .... munching down on one of my prized plants. Grrrr ... and those dang fellas are BIG! And disgusting. I pick them off my plants and toss them over the fence because I am a no-kill kinda person, but that dang goo from them is a pain to get off your fingers. Super-slime!!! Sticks like super-glue! Blinking Angry
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Aug 5, 2015 5:11 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
Frugal Gardener Garden Procrastinator I helped beta test the first seed swap Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Region: Pacific Northwest
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beckygardener said:... I have always thought that slugs ate only fresh foliage for their diet. ...
I pick them off my plants and toss them over the fence ...


From reading, I think that slugs also eat dead plant parts. Maybe they prefer fresh salad.

I've read that slugs can travel surprising distances, not just from one yard to the next, but even spreading all through a neighborhood. Just now I tried to find some reliable source to document that, but now I can't find it!
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Aug 5, 2015 5:24 PM CST
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Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
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It wouldn't surprise me. Maybe I need to get into my car and relocate them instead of throwing them over the privacy fence.

I will say I found a hatchery of them under my little resin waterfall pond. I was cleaning it out and lifted it to dump the dirty water to refill with clean and saw all these slugs ... big and small plus what looked like a bunch of eggs. Those did wind up in a black trash bag. All of them. I didn't actually kill them, but I am sure they died after the trash pickup removed the bags. Whistling
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Aug 5, 2015 5:27 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
Frugal Gardener Garden Procrastinator I helped beta test the first seed swap Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Region: Pacific Northwest
Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Avid Green Pages Reviewer Garden Ideas: Master Level Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database.
But they ate like kings for a while!
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Aug 5, 2015 5:28 PM CST
Name: Cindy
Hobart, IN zone 5
aka CindyMzone5
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant Identifier
Uh oh - tracking device for slugs?
I haven't seen slugs for years until this spring with all of the rain and cool weather we had. DH likes pouring salt on them. Haven't seen them for about a month. Maybe the frogs will eat them. Or the long-resident toads.
Only when the last tree has died and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught will we realize that we can't eat money. Cree proverb
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Aug 5, 2015 5:32 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Daylilies Hummingbirder Butterflies Seed Starter Container Gardener
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Ideas: Master Level Lover of wildlife (Black bear badge) Birds Ponds
Rick - No doubt about that!

Cindy - Do frogs actually eat them? I have often wondered about that. I know frogs will eat worms, but slugs???? Confused
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Aug 5, 2015 5:39 PM CST
Name: Cindy
Hobart, IN zone 5
aka CindyMzone5
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant Identifier
I don't know if frogs would eat slugs. I'll have to research that. My two young frogs have taken up residence under a big hosta when they aren't sitting out waiting for bugs to pass by.
Only when the last tree has died and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught will we realize that we can't eat money. Cree proverb
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Aug 21, 2015 1:18 PM CST
Name: Kate
Pullman, WA (Zone 5a)
Becky - any oil/butter will remove the slug slime from human skin, dog fur, hair..... Apply, let it sit for a few moments & scrape. (This works for pine-pitch, too.)

Worms consume organic matter in a decomposing state, and will stick around if they have access to worm-size food particles. If you provide, they will come.
I don't remember having issues with my worms dying from lack of sustenance in either my compost piles or worm bins at any time of the year. Obviously with winter chill, they move to the warmest place for them, usually the middle of the pile. I experimented one summer & fall, placing spent coffee grounds or a pile of weeds in different locations on my property -- worms would typically show up within a day or so. I tried replicating this in makeshift worm bins (large trash cans with holes punched in the bottom), and it worked well. They like small particle food waste with a preference for the coffee grounds. (Perhaps this is typical of Seattle area worms...)
We don't have the extreme temperatures to deal with in this area, so the mortality rate may be different, too. My worm bins were outside & covered to prevent thievery from the marauding local rodentia; the compost piles were in semi-sheltered areas, but open from above. The piles never looked like they'd been disturbed, though.

FYI: Frogs, garter snakes and ducks eat slugs; the ducks doing so with a zealous gluttony.
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Aug 21, 2015 2:22 PM CST
Name: Cindy
Hobart, IN zone 5
aka CindyMzone5
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant Identifier
I just heard yesterday about ducks loving slugs. And it was in the Seattle area with some backyard "homesteaders". I have had baby garters snakes in two batches this year. Those, along with the frogs, may be the reason all of my rarely-in-my-garden slugs disappeared a while back. Might be why the frogs aren't heading down to the wetlands.
Only when the last tree has died and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught will we realize that we can't eat money. Cree proverb
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Aug 21, 2015 6:11 PM CST
Name: Kate
Pullman, WA (Zone 5a)
Snakes are pretty much universally disliked, but ours are non-poisonous & keen on keeping the slug population in check. I only wish they had a taste for voles.
I moved from my property a couple years ago, and now living next to a greenbelt, a.k.a. Slug Breeding Grounds. No ducks or snakes, but there are frogs. I am trying to figure out how best to enhance the frog population - they are efficient helpers.
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Aug 21, 2015 7:42 PM CST
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Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Daylilies Hummingbirder Butterflies Seed Starter Container Gardener
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Kate - Thanks for the info about removing slug slime. Thank You! Maybe I should consider getting a few pet ducks! Hilarious! Hilarious!

I already have the rodent (roof rat) problem. Knocked down a nest today that had babies in it. I put them in the vacant lot next door. They won't survive without mom. The mother rat climbed up even higher in the tree to another nest which I couldn't reach. Darn rats!!!

Cindy - I wished I had garter snakes here. I do have larger indigo snakes. I like snakes. They only bother me (and I them) when we unexpectedly bump into each other. Then we both freeze and head in the opposite direction! But they do eat the younger (smaller) rats. Which is A-OK by me!

We have tree frogs, but they are not the good kind to have. These are huge Cuban Tree Frogs that are non-natives and very invasive. They have eaten all the native tree frogs and toads. Sad
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Aug 22, 2015 7:11 AM CST
Name: Cindy
Hobart, IN zone 5
aka CindyMzone5
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant Identifier
Ack! Who would have thought frogs could be so vicious? It would be nice if my frogs would stick around but they might head back down to the wetlands for the winter. With the rainy spring and lots of damselflies/dragonflies, I wonder if the frogs just followed a food source. Toads I have all of the time.
I don't mind the garter snakes - I just have to be careful not to step on them. Even though we're next to wetlands, I've only noticed one other snake when the wetlands flooded years ago. Ran across a big brown snake in the process of swallowing a rather large toad. I stayed out of the yard for a couple of days.
Only when the last tree has died and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught will we realize that we can't eat money. Cree proverb
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Aug 22, 2015 7:20 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Daylilies Hummingbirder Butterflies Seed Starter Container Gardener
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Ideas: Master Level Lover of wildlife (Black bear badge) Birds Ponds
Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious!

My daughter at almost 4 years old went to the pet store as a birthday present from us. We expected she would pick out a hamster or gerbil or some other cute and sweet little pet. NOPE! She chose 2 baby rat snakes. They are beautiful snakes, but as anyone who raises snakes know .... they eat crickets at a young age and then progress to mice for their diet. Guess who wound up feeding them? Ugh.

She loved those snakes and would carry them with her all over the house. Unfortunately, sometimes she would get busy playing with toys and put them down. It would take us days to coax them out of wherever they were hiding. And the kicker ... my hubby is afraid of snakes! Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Daughter and father got into it at times over these snakes! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious!
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Aug 22, 2015 7:21 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Daylilies Hummingbirder Butterflies Seed Starter Container Gardener
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Ideas: Master Level Lover of wildlife (Black bear badge) Birds Ponds
Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious!

My daughter at almost 4 years old went to the pet store as a birthday present from us. We expected she would pick out a hamster or gerbil or some other cute and sweet little pet. NOPE! She chose 2 baby rat snakes. They are beautiful snakes, but as anyone who raises snakes know .... they eat crickets at a young age and then progress to mice for their diet. Guess who wound up feeding them? Ugh.

She loved those snakes and would carry them with her all over the house. Unfortunately, sometimes she would get busy playing with toys and put them down. It would take us days to coax them out of wherever they were hiding. And the kicker ... my hubby is afraid of snakes! Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Daughter and father got into it at times over these snakes! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious!

So snakes really don't bother me at all. I like snakes. They are very good at taking care of insect and rodent pests!
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