Post a reply

Image
Nov 6, 2015 6:27 PM CST
Garden.org Admin
Name: Dave Whitinger
Southlake, Texas (Zone 8a)
Region: Texas Seed Starter Vegetable Grower Tomato Heads Vermiculture Garden Research Contributor
Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Ideas: Master Level Region: Ukraine Garden Sages
Danita said:Dave, could we please get the lists to default to having the listing order alphabetically by scientific name


That'll be something I will try to get done, but the complexity of allowing that is so great, that it likely won't get done during this beta period. It'll need to be a phase 2 feature.
Avatar for Chillybean
Nov 6, 2015 6:53 PM CST
Name: Kim
Iowa (Zone 5a)
I kill ornamentals... on purpose.
Enjoys or suffers cold winters Spiders! Critters Allowed Birds Houseplants I helped beta test the first seed swap
Region: Nebraska Keeper of Poultry Rabbit Keeper Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Garden Procrastinator Garden Ideas: Level 2
I just entered what I believe is it for this round. I thought about some older, unopened seed packets, but they were just from some big box store if I remember; nothing special.

Is there a timeline of what will occur when? The reason I ask is I am wondering if there would be time to type up the growing conditions, etc. to send with the seeds. I am a little busier than expected, so I am not sure I can get pictures of the packets taken unless there is still time before the swap actually opens.
Image
Nov 6, 2015 7:50 PM CST
Garden.org Admin
Name: Dave Whitinger
Southlake, Texas (Zone 8a)
Region: Texas Seed Starter Vegetable Grower Tomato Heads Vermiculture Garden Research Contributor
Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Ideas: Master Level Region: Ukraine Garden Sages
Kim, earlier it was suggested that we give at least 2 weeks for everyone to get their list in order before we actually finalize and send the packages. I'm thinking maybe around thanksgiving we could close it and have them all sent, so I can receive them and get them mailed out to everyone in early December.
Image
Nov 6, 2015 8:56 PM CST
Name: Danita
GA (Zone 7b)
Charter ATP Member Forum moderator Hummingbirder Salvias Butterflies Birds
Plant Identifier Vegetable Grower Container Gardener Seed Starter Cat Lover Region: Georgia
Thanks Dave! Big Grin
Image
Nov 6, 2015 8:57 PM CST
Name: Ronnie (Veronica)
Southeastern PA (Zone 6b)
Count your blessings, be grateful
Region: Ukraine Organic Gardener Keeps Goats Zinnias Dog Lover Morning Glories
Annuals Bee Lover Dragonflies Butterflies Hummingbirder Birds
Just wondering @Dave, if possibly in the future, we could have specific types of lists separate from one another. I'd love to have a list just form my morning glories. I know a lot of people do crosses for daylilies and such. It would be nice to be able to group them together. Is that asking too much Whistling Hilarious!
Kindness is the language which the deaf can hear and the blind can see.
Image
Nov 6, 2015 9:28 PM CST
Name: Jay
Nederland, Texas (Zone 9a)
Region: Texas Region: Gulf Coast Charter ATP Member I helped beta test the first seed swap I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant Identifier Tip Photographer Garden Sages Garden Ideas: Master Level Hibiscus
I would like to see it alphabetized by binomial name like our plant list. I have three varieties of Hibiscus moscheutos, one near then top of my list, one in the middle, and one at the very end.
wildflowersoftexas.com



Image
Nov 6, 2015 9:54 PM CST
Name: greene
Savannah, GA (Sunset 28) (Zone 8b)
I have no use for internet bullies!
Avid Green Pages Reviewer Keeper of Poultry Vegetable Grower Rabbit Keeper Frugal Gardener Garden Ideas: Master Level
Plant Identifier Region: Georgia Native Plants and Wildflowers Composter Garden Sages Bookworm
I agree. One list has several Mirabilis jalapa but because in our database some are listed as Four o'clock and some as Marvel of Peru, they get separated on a list alphabetized by common name.
Sunset Zone 28, AHS Heat Zone 9, USDA zone 8b~"Leaf of Faith"
Image
Nov 6, 2015 10:15 PM CST
Name: Sandy B.
Ford River Twp, Michigan UP (Zone 4b)
(Zone 4b-maybe 5a)
Charter ATP Member Bee Lover Butterflies Birds I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
Seed Starter Vegetable Grower Greenhouse Region: United States of America Region: Michigan Enjoys or suffers cold winters
I agree
“Think occasionally of the suffering of which you spare yourself the sight." ~ Albert Schweitzer
C/F temp conversion
Image
Nov 6, 2015 10:30 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
Frugal Gardener Garden Procrastinator I helped beta test the first seed swap Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Region: Pacific Northwest
Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Avid Green Pages Reviewer Garden Ideas: Master Level Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database.
I have notes now for three dozen things to swap, and I see they are all greens!
Well, except for the purple mustard and red-violet tatsoi and red amaranth.

Lettuce
Tatsoi
Bok Choy
Chinese cabbage (Michihli & Napa)
Spinach
Chard
Tyfon (Holland Greens)
Corn Salad (Mache)
Endive / Escarole
and a few others.

I found some packets with dates as old as 2012 and 1-2 from 2011. I planned to set them up with larger packet sizes, like double, and an age warning in the Comment field.

What's your pleasure, Dave and /or everyone? Don't even list vegetable seed older than 2012?

Or perhaps "don't offer anything older than packed for 2013", or "harvested in 2011"?

No need to restrict the Beta list with lots of rules. And you've probably already got a plan for the next phase.

It might be part of a generic template to present to new swap Hosts.
Whether and how they want to limit the swap WRT age of seeds.
Unfortunately, there are at least three ways:
- "packed for 2015"
- "harvested in 2014"
- < XX% Germination Oct 2013

And different species have different viable lifetimes, and online lists of seed viability lifetimes seem based on marketeering (1-3 years viable) rather than observation (1-20 years viable).

In fact Franchi has a fourth system that include in addition to the last germination test. They seal their seeds in foil and provide an "expiry date" some months or years in the future. I think they assume you haven't torn open the sealed packet, and that some germination rate (80%? 60%?) is good enough.
Image
Nov 6, 2015 11:34 PM CST
Name: greene
Savannah, GA (Sunset 28) (Zone 8b)
I have no use for internet bullies!
Avid Green Pages Reviewer Keeper of Poultry Vegetable Grower Rabbit Keeper Frugal Gardener Garden Ideas: Master Level
Plant Identifier Region: Georgia Native Plants and Wildflowers Composter Garden Sages Bookworm
I had to look up what WRT means...

My opinion ...
- If seeds are commercial they have the date for planting - I would like to see no older than 2 years - our swap seeds will be planted in 2016, so no older than "packed for 2014" for commercial seeds.

- For self-harvested seed, some of which may need stratification, same thing, two years, so harvested in 2014.

- For seeds obtained in a previous trade...I would avoid them like the plague as there is no telling how old they are or what condition they have been stored.

Giving a double quantity and an honest date as RickCorey suggested Thumbs up will at least allow the traders the chance to decide if it's worth the gamble.
Sunset Zone 28, AHS Heat Zone 9, USDA zone 8b~"Leaf of Faith"
Avatar for Chillybean
Nov 7, 2015 3:29 PM CST
Name: Kim
Iowa (Zone 5a)
I kill ornamentals... on purpose.
Enjoys or suffers cold winters Spiders! Critters Allowed Birds Houseplants I helped beta test the first seed swap
Region: Nebraska Keeper of Poultry Rabbit Keeper Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Garden Procrastinator Garden Ideas: Level 2
dave said:Kim, earlier it was suggested that we give at least 2 weeks for everyone to get their list in order before we actually finalize and send the packages. I'm thinking maybe around thanksgiving we could close it and have them all sent, so I can receive them and get them mailed out to everyone in early December.


Thank you!!! That actually gives me more time than I was thinking.

I was telling my husband last night that I wonder if my perfectionist tendencies are making this harder than it needs to be. And he agreed... :D
Image
Nov 7, 2015 3:55 PM CST
Name: Duane
Redmond OR (Zone 5a)
Life began in a garden.
I helped beta test the first seed swap Winter Sowing Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Salvias Hummingbirder
Hostas Cottage Gardener Annuals Echinacea Container Gardener Dahlias
I personally think if you post that it's from a trade, then the person knows in advance the chance he or she is taking.
Also if you post the date, then again ---the person knows in advance the chance he or she is taking.
Image
Nov 7, 2015 4:05 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
Frugal Gardener Garden Procrastinator I helped beta test the first seed swap Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Region: Pacific Northwest
Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Avid Green Pages Reviewer Garden Ideas: Master Level Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database.
Chillybean said: ...
I was telling my husband last night that I wonder if my perfectionist tendencies are making this harder than it needs to be. And he agreed... :D


Phooey! The goal is not merely what is NEEDED ... the goal is what gives us the most pleasure or satisfaction.

It's just that your concept of "good enough" STARTS where other people's concept of "awesomely superb" leaves off!
Avatar for Chillybean
Nov 7, 2015 5:29 PM CST
Name: Kim
Iowa (Zone 5a)
I kill ornamentals... on purpose.
Enjoys or suffers cold winters Spiders! Critters Allowed Birds Houseplants I helped beta test the first seed swap
Region: Nebraska Keeper of Poultry Rabbit Keeper Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Garden Procrastinator Garden Ideas: Level 2
Haha ... and thank you for the acorn, Rick. I am learning a lot through this, that is for sure. A lot of it has been trial and error for me, but I received help from people directly and indirectly. Once I saw other lists, there were light bulb moments to improve what I was doing.

Now if I can learn a more efficient way to remove fluff from the seeds... I can tell you all the things NOT to do. One method made so much sense in my head, that as I was doing it I took pictures (maybe a future idea), well... I took pictures of my flop. Hilarious! Hilarious!
Image
Nov 7, 2015 6:43 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
Frugal Gardener Garden Procrastinator I helped beta test the first seed swap Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Region: Pacific Northwest
Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Avid Green Pages Reviewer Garden Ideas: Master Level Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database.
>> Now if I can learn a more efficient way to remove fluff from the seeds... I can tell you all the things NOT to do.

I would love to read that idea, and learn yet more ways that don't work well! Maybe they just need more input from Rube Goldberg.

The most experienced seed-savers I know say "JUST blow on the fluff gently".

Any advice that starts "JUST ..." shows that the person giving the advice has forgotten why it seemed difficult in the first place.

For me, "blowing" works fairly well after harsh rubbing, if I'm willing to have LOTS of seeds and chaff embedded in my living room carpet Crying

I always use hardware cloth or window screening and strainers to remove big and tiny chaff, then struggle with seeds and chaff the same size as the seeds. I do some blowing and some finger-picking.

It helps if you never "beat up" the seed heads harshly.
That creates huge amounts of small chaff and dust you can never remove fully.
Letting them get as mature and dry as possible "on the vine" helps.
Drying them FULLY after collecting is crucial, and I think that gentle cleaning works best AFTER full drying.

If possible, collect so MANY seed heads or pods that yo can just let them dry, dry Dry DRY, then shake them gently in a paper bag, seal-able box or big jar. Don't shake any harder thannecessary to release fully mature and dry seeds.

If you collected so many seed pods that this single step releases enough seeds for trading - declare victory. Save those CLEAN seeds for trading.

Then, toss a rock or golf ball into the box or jar and shake harder. Now you get more seeds plus lots of chaff and dust. Remove SOME of the trash with screens or puffing or hand-picking or whatever, but mainly, save them along with some chaff for your own planting.

Chaff doesn't hurt, and it helps you see where you have already sown.

When I cleaned some Alyssum seeds , the chaff appeared to have a few immature seeds, so I tried a germination test on my "chaff". Darn if a tablespoon of that "chaff" didn't sprout tons more seedlings than 1/16th tsp of "seeds".

And when you break up some unfamiliar flower head and can't even tell which things are the seeds and which are the caff?

Save some of each, then test-germinate each batch. Just trade the "pretty" and "clean" batches for ego reasons and because some people like their seeds to look like they came from a store. But plant for yourself whatever works and is easy. That's my policy!

If you worry about insect eggs hiding in the chaff, consider freezing them to kill them.

First get them really dry. For most seed types, below 30% RH is better for long-term storage. As low as 15% RH is ideal for maximizing viable lifetime in storage. Desiccants like silica gel make that super-easy.

Seal the seeds + chaff tightly in a small labelled Zip-loc with air squeezed out, to reduce condensation on the seeds as they chill down, and again when you pull cold bags into warm, humid room air..

I would double-bag them to keep condensation away. I would put silica-gel desiccant in with the seeds, and especially between the double bags, to avoid condensation.

Then pop into the freezer for a few days or weeks. If you really do have a problem with insect eggs, freeze for a while, then let room temperature encourage them to start hatching for a few days or weeks, then freeze them again.

If you put them into, or take them out of the freezer, minimize condensation any way you can. Mold and slight humidity destroy more seeds than insects.
Image
Nov 8, 2015 2:46 PM CST
Name: Michele Roth
N.E. Indiana - Zone 5b, and F (Zone 9b)
I'm always on my way out the door..
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Forum moderator Garden Sages Garden Ideas: Master Level Dog Lover Cottage Gardener
Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Organic Gardener Keeps Horses Hummingbirder Hosted a Not-A-Raffle-Raffle
The speed of getting entries listed is phenomenal, Dave. I just popped in a double handful in a few minutes worth of free time. I'm loving the DB connection!

Thank you!
Cottage Gardening

Newest Interest: Rock Gardens


Image
Nov 8, 2015 2:49 PM CST
Name: Dnd
SE Michigan (Zone 6a)
Daylilies Dog Lover Houseplants Organic Gardener I helped beta test the first seed swap Celebrating Gardening: 2015
Garden Ideas: Level 2
RickCorey said:

Phooey! The goal is not merely what is NEEDED ... the goal is what gives us the most pleasure or satisfaction.

It's just that your concept of "good enough" STARTS where other people's concept of "awesomely superb" leaves off!



I like you. Hilarious!
Image
Nov 9, 2015 9:27 AM CST
Name: Dnd
SE Michigan (Zone 6a)
Daylilies Dog Lover Houseplants Organic Gardener I helped beta test the first seed swap Celebrating Gardening: 2015
Garden Ideas: Level 2
Just to be certain...

If we add something to our list and we *don't* make it public, are we obligated to send/offer it for this swap?

I'm trying to figure out if I can put all of my seed packets on one list, but reserve some for the upcoming swap so that I have something to trade for it. For seeds we want to reserve for future swaps, can we just mark them as 'not public' and change the status as the swaps open up that we want to offer them in?

(In the future, I think it would be helpful to have fully separate lists for different swaps...it's hard to really get a feel for how much I'm offering one swap versus another from this current format, even if all of the 'private' ones are up top. I would love a little more of a visual differentiation, and I think separate lists would do that.)
Image
Nov 9, 2015 10:27 AM CST
Name: Duane
Redmond OR (Zone 5a)
Life began in a garden.
I helped beta test the first seed swap Winter Sowing Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Salvias Hummingbirder
Hostas Cottage Gardener Annuals Echinacea Container Gardener Dahlias
I believe under "availability" you have that choice when adding something to your list.
Image
Nov 9, 2015 10:50 AM CST
Name: Dnd
SE Michigan (Zone 6a)
Daylilies Dog Lover Houseplants Organic Gardener I helped beta test the first seed swap Celebrating Gardening: 2015
Garden Ideas: Level 2
I just want to make sure if we put something on the list, we know if we are obligated to send it for the current swap or not.

How should we use the 'not ready' part vs. the 'not public' part, or is that at our own discretion? (For instance, I might want to make my list visible so that people in other swaps can see what I have, but I'm not prepared to send those to the current swap. OR, does it just mean 'hey, these aren't bagged yet'? OR does it mean 'these are still on the plant waiting to be harvested, but I'm pretty sure I have this amount'?

I don't want to 'trick' anyone or get anyone upset, so I'm curious how others are using this feature and especially how they're using it to separate seeds for different swaps, IF they are. Shrug!

You must first create a username and login before you can reply to this thread.
  • Started by: dave
  • Replies: 65, views: 1,836
Member Login:

( No account? Join now! )

Today's site banner is by Zoia and is called "Charming Place Setting"

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.