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Dec 12, 2015 8:43 AM CST
Name: Cindy
Hobart, IN zone 5
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I came close to double-digging one bed years ago - the most clay-ey of all my beds. But, after planting it with mainly perennials, it's almost reverting back to the original condition.
Only when the last tree has died and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught will we realize that we can't eat money. Cree proverb
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Dec 14, 2015 12:14 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
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I don't know how people manage perennial beds. Mine immediately go to weeds and the soil reverts to clay.

I've seldom added ENOUGH compost and mulch every year to keep a bed happy without deep turning every few years, but I have an ambition to try that after I retire.
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Dec 14, 2015 1:19 PM CST
Name: Cindy
Hobart, IN zone 5
aka CindyMzone5
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant Identifier
Biggest weed problem here is chickweed in some areas. It always chooses to grow among ground covers, making it difficult to get rid of. Maybe because I have a shade garden it's not prone to as many weeds?
Only when the last tree has died and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught will we realize that we can't eat money. Cree proverb
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Dec 14, 2015 5:41 PM CST
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I find cardboard works well on weeds I cant pull. Cover with mulch, if it looks ugly.
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Mar 25, 2017 4:33 PM CST
Name: Steve
Prescott, AZ (Zone 7b)
Irises Lilies Roses Region: Southwest Gardening
RickCorey said:I don't know how people manage perennial beds. Mine immediately go to weeds and the soil reverts to clay.

I've seldom added ENOUGH compost and mulch every year to keep a bed happy without deep turning every few years, but I have an ambition to try that after I retire.


In my rose beds, I add something like two inches of mulch derived - at least in part - from well rotted horse manure each year. Smells like there's some pine or cedar bark in the mix. Six years ago there were no earthworms to be found. Now it's a rare shovel full of soil that doesn't have at least one. Sometimes the earthworms can do much of the heavy lifting in soil aeration, IME. Of course, gophers like rose roots and they aerate soil, too.

If I had to turn the soil by hand I'd give up and pave the area over with asphalt. Or grow weeds.

I, too, have occasionally used cardboard held down by landscape staples or small rocks. This I cover with mulch. In a few years it decomposes, and by then the weeds seem disinclined to return. It seems like a pretty good way to get ahead of the weed problem. I also plant daylilies beneath my roses (not that they always bloom nicely there), the layers of shade and the root competition do help prevent weeds. I would say that between all these measures the amount of weeding required is probably not 5% what it was when I just used light, occasional mulching in my rose beds.

But I do not garden on heavy clay; and the ground here stays relatively cool so it does not burn organics so fast as it does many warmer places.
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Mar 26, 2017 9:01 AM CST
Name: Cindy
Hobart, IN zone 5
aka CindyMzone5
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant Identifier
I use shredded leaves for my mulching which helps a lot unless critters start messing with it. I think there's only a couple of months out of the year that my beds don't have a layer of leaves on them. Also helps improve the soil.
Only when the last tree has died and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught will we realize that we can't eat money. Cree proverb

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