Funny.. I thought I had replied here with some links. I must have replied on another thread.
Illinois Wildflowers does a god job listing faunal associations. Relatives in these genera seem more important for the insects they support,and THUS birds eting the insects, than they think as seed for birds.
I agree, jmorth, the variety and number of wasp things etc, on goldenrod, is incredible.
I have a patch of giant Rudbeckia I am sure hoping birds eat all those seeds. They spread like mad just by root alone.