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Jul 23, 2018 4:07 PM CST
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Name: Sheridragonfly/Sheri
Alabama (Zone 8b)
Salvias Celebrating Gardening: 2015
I stood in the hot sun today for l hour and decided I had not gotten the photos I desired in
my Sheri's healing flower garden
Came in and downloaded them and I was stunned that I captured this hummingbird moth
as well as I did...

What settings does one do to learn to freeze the wings of the moth or hummingbird?
My camera surely has all needed to do it..

Reading manuals is very hard for me... if someone were here to show me and I wrote it down
I could do it in 10 minutes .

So can someone explain this in an elementary way to me?
I have a DSC HX 100V camera.

I hope someone loves to teach, because I have wanted to learn this for 15 years...
Classes are not possible for me to attend..

I am not lazy so your help
would be greatly appreciated..
It would bring me great joy...to learn how to do it..

Sheridragonfly
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Jul 23, 2018 6:38 PM CST
Name: Rj
Just S of the twin cities of M (Zone 4b)
Forum moderator Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Plant Identifier Garden Ideas: Level 1
Great photos!
As Yogi Berra said, “It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future.”
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Jul 25, 2018 1:34 PM CST
Name: James
North Louisiana (Zone 8b)
Adeniums Cactus and Succulents Lover of wildlife (Raccoon badge) Growing under artificial light Ferns Garden Photography
Region: Louisiana Region: Gulf Coast Enjoys or suffers hot summers Critters Allowed Lover of wildlife (Black bear badge) Container Gardener
Hi,

I am new to this forum ...but I believe I can help

To stop motion - set your camera to "Shutter Speed Priority Shooting" ..... then rotate the dial to different speeds ...

Try a shutter speed of 1/500th of a second ...if that doesn't stop motion, try a higher shutter speed like 1/1000th of a second

Existing light plays a role, so you will need to experiment

Hope that helps

James
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Jul 30, 2018 5:18 AM CST
Name: Gene Staver
Portage WI 53901 (Zone 5a)
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Shutter speed mode is T/V or just T on Canon. S/V or just S on Nikon. Really large birds flap there wings slowly and/or they glide. Herons, Geese. You can get good results at 1/250. With smaller birds, butterflies, moths you will not get to freeze their wings no matter what shutter speed you use because there is usually not enough light. As James said use 1/500 or 1/1000. Try to freeze the body and you will have a pix people like. Examples Osprey, Whooping Crane, Hummer. Gene


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Aug 2, 2018 12:32 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Sheridragonfly/Sheri
Alabama (Zone 8b)
Salvias Celebrating Gardening: 2015
James and Gene
thank for taking your time to reply.

I do have one question I use autofocus inside the house and outside
do you have any idea what the 0.7EV means I have mine set on it
and the ISO on auto and F2.8 and something that is 30 showing on the screen
all that in a row at the bottom of my camera screen..

This is what I reset it on after I got all confused with using manual settings..

I did turn the sony digital camera dial to S
for setting the shutter speed

then like you mentioned I had to turn it to A
for aperture..

I never could get the two in balance
and when I turned my camera back to autofocus
I had reset those settings it appears ...also.

So it took me hours to get my auto focus settings back to
where they are fairly good now.

I think the person I saw who was able to freeze hummingbirds wings
years ago has a SLR camera..
There is NO way I would buy one of those..as I do not have a desire to
study for months or years to learn the mathematics and settings
and lighting...to that degree to be professional..It would take the
joy out of my passion for photography and flowers and animals
and insects..and the night sky..

I plan this year to go to an open field at l am and watch the Perseid meteor showers..
The moon will not be bright this year and it is a much better year

August 12th ll pm or after mid nite..which will be the morning of
August 13th before dawn..

Do you have any idea if I could get any thing with a 30 optical lens and
capture a meteor ..with a tail like we see in those pictures?

I can get a great moon shot..see below..

Here are some I did with autofocus this year..
Sheridragonfly

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Aug 2, 2018 10:46 PM CST
Name: Gene Staver
Portage WI 53901 (Zone 5a)
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The older I get the worse my typing gets. Too many questions for me to try to answer in this format. I teach photography. If you are serious you do need to take some lessons. You said not possible to attend? What does that mean? You are doing well so far. Going to be hard for you to improve without some help and lots of experience. Gene
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Aug 3, 2018 1:17 PM CST
Name: Morgan
IL (Zone 5b)
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Sheri, there are lots of websites that explain photography basics that are much easier to follow than reading the camera manual. There are also plenty of You-Tube videos tutorials on the subject if you prefer that route. I've also gotten books from the library on the subject.

If you're shooting on the fully automatic mode and getting pretty good results which it looks like you are, it might be time to try out the other modes for a little more control. You do kind of have to understand what the values are that you're changing and what the effect will be to get the results you desire. My camera is similar to yours (mine is Panasonic FZ200) and the automatic mode doesn't let you change much of anything so I never use it. I usually use P (program mode), or A (aperture priority mode) which both help you get a properly exposed picture quickly but allow some more control than automatic mode. You need the aperture, shutter speed, and ISO to all be in balance to get a properly exposed photo. Those modes let you change one or two of those settings and it auto adjusts the rest to help you out. The fully automatic mode sets all three values for you and you can't change them. There are also "scene" modes that I don't personally use, they are similar to automatic. They let you pick the type of photo you want without understanding what settings to change to achieve that result. Like there is a sports mode (for freezing action) or portrait (for flattering photos of people with blurred backdrop).

What is most helpful for me photographing quick moving animals is having pretty bright light to start and use that P or A mode. I leave the ISO at auto, adjust my aperture so that I'm getting fast shutter speeds like mentioned above usually over 1/500 second. When it is not very bright out I will manually increase the ISO which will allow for faster shutter speeds but make for a noisier looking photo. I also use burst mode and hold down the shutter button to shoot 5.5 or 10 frames per second. Your camera has that ability too. The button to enable it looks like three overlapping rectangles. Often times one of photos in the burst of photos will be just right. You could also try using the flash to get more light to freeze motion, even when it is fairly bright outside. Although with the flash you can't use the burst mode and waiting for the flash to get ready can slow you down. The flashes on these types of cameras are not great, but sometimes it is better than nothing.

The 0.7EV indicates the exposure value. Those numbers can be positive or negative. It is determined by the shutter speed and aperture. It can indicate an over (+) or under (-) exposed image with the current settings. You can also adjust the exposure compensation value when you don't like what the camera has decided is the optimal exposure. I think my camera often over exposes images making them brighter than I would like, so I sometimes adjust the exposure compensation down (- value) a tick or two below 0.

I think you are getting confused between autofocus and automatic camera mode. With these types of cameras you pretty much always use autofocus. There is not usually the option to use a focus ring on the lenses like with SLRS. To manually focus you have to enable that mode usually near the lens and then use buttons to adjust the focus which is not realistic to fiddle with for any moving subject. Autofocus works by just depressing the shutter button halfway before taking the photo. The automatic camera mode on the other hand is what you select with the dial on top of the camera. It automatically selects all the settings to get the proper exposure like explained earlier and has nothing to do with how the focus works.

If you want to learn more about it search for photography basics, intro to photography, or similar. Lots of good stuff out there.
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Aug 14, 2018 3:41 PM CST
Name: James
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Just set the camera to the " S " for setting the shutter speed ...then as a starting point - select a 1/500th or 1/1000th of a second ....and take your best shot ...if its too slow, increase the shutter speed .... let the camera decide what the aperture is (the f number)

for meteors ...do the same thing you did for your moon shot .... 'cus it came out really good !!
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Aug 14, 2018 3:44 PM CST
Name: Gene Staver
Portage WI 53901 (Zone 5a)
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The moon and meteors are way different subjects that require way different techniques. Sorry. Gene
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Aug 16, 2018 4:32 PM CST
Name: Mike Stewart
Lower Hudson Valley, New York (Zone 7a)
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Photo Contest Winner 2020 Garden Photography Roses Bulbs Peonies
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Here are some photos of hummingbirds I took this week, and here is how I set up the shots:

I used a Canon 5D II, with a 24 - 105mm f/4 lens with a minimum focus distance of 18 inches (i.e., the minimum macro distance).

I set the camera up on a tripod inside the house by a window where there is a hummingbird feeder outside the window.

To freeze-frame wings, you have to use as short a shutter speed as possible, which means letting in as much light into the camera as possible (which means using a lower aperture number - this may sound counterintuitive, but the smaller the aperture number, the larger the aperture opening). My lens' lowest aperture number (largest opening) is 4.0. However, this has to be balanced against what is known as "depth of field" - the area in space where the bird will be in focus vs. out of focus. The smaller the aperture number, the less depth of field. It's all about trade-offs, so I chose an aperture of 6.3.

But 6.3 doesn't let in as much light as 4.0, and that means the shutter speed is going to be slower, so I set my ISO speed at 1600 to compensate. This makes the camera's sensor more sensitive to the available light, allowing a faster shutter speed. The trade-off is that high ISO settings can produce grainy "noise" in the image, which interferes with how crisp an image can look, but this can be dealt with to some extent in post processing. Again, it involves trade-offs. Too much noise can interfere with the sharpness of an image, but so can the "over-elimination" of noise by producing too much blurry softness.

When the hummingbirds came to the feeder, I used a radio remote control to take pictures of them when they were hovering, as opposed to perched on the feeder. This allowed me to sit back, relax, and watch the birds and simply press a button in my hand rather than on the camera. These remote controls are small and cheap, by the way, provided your camera has a port to plug in the receiver.

I used Lightroom and Topaz filters to post-process my images. I cropped them to enlarge the image of the birds, and used the software to reduce the "noise" that is produced by using such a high ISO number.

The results were fairly good, although I would have liked them to be crisper/sharper. They would have been if I increased the aperture number (made the aperture smaller), but then I wouldn't have been able to freeze frame the wings. Again, it's all about trade-offs. (Another challenge was taking the photos through window glass that is 85 years old.)

If it sounds like a lot of work, in some respects it is, but it's the kind of work I enjoy, because it requires me to think through the settings needed to achieve the image I envision before I take the photo. There is a joy to be had in photography when you understand the relationship between shutter speed, aperture, ISO speed, and depth of field, and how to make them work together to produce the results you want. The interrelationships are the same whether you have a point-and-shoot camera or an advanced DSLR with interchangeable lenses. For me, it's analogous to knowing which plant to place in which type of soil, with how much sun or shade, and how much moisture. When you know how these things work together, you can cultivate a beautiful garden. When you understand the elements of photography, you can produce magnificent photos - even if you don't have a tripod or radio remote control. By way of example, the last three photos of the purple crested hummingbirds I took while holding the camera in my hand (those I took a few years ago).

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Nov 13, 2018 11:22 PM CST
Name: ZenMan
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Hi Mike,

Those are professional quality hummingbird photos. Kudos and congratulations to you.

The top five photo thumbnails Failed to Load when I clicked on them. The last image also Failed to Load. Is that something you see?

Incidentally, I also use several of the Topaz filters for post processing.

Added in edit: Now after posting my message, the "Failure to Load" thing no longer occurs, and all is well.

ZM
I tip my hat to you.
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