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The label in the plant photo says Parry's Agave (Agave parryi)
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Nov 27, 2018 5:52 PM CST
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The same picture is featured under two entries.



So I think one needs to be deleted. I'd say keep the less specific name if there is uncertainty about the particular variety or cultivar involved.

Maybe @dawiz1753 or @mcvansoest can give us some insight to help resolve this.
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One definitely needs to be deleted. I'll allow some time for responses to see if we can narrow down the identity, but without any further information the var. truncata photo will be deleted.
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The sign says it's the Raulston form, so I think Angelo is correct about putting it under the Huachuca Agave (Agave parryi var. huachucensis 'J.C. Raulston') in the database. I was recently gifted with one and it looks just like this one.
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The 'J.C. Raulston' Agave came from the J.C. Raulston Arboretum and is synonymous with 'Raulston Arboretum Form'.
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I agree
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But it is identified to be of garden origin. So to be identified as a var. huachucensis seems oddly specific and while it looks like it, the only place where I see J. C. Raulston referred to as var. huachucensis is here. I have to suspect that is wrong.

Here is the Plant Delights Nursery write, only mentioning Agave parryi and a garden origin.
https://www.plantdelights.com/...

So two things here:

1. I agree that it should be listed as Agave parryi 'J. C. Raulston', since it is identified as such.

2. However, I would object to it being listed as Agave parryi var. huachucensis 'J. C. Raulston' unless someone comes up with some clear evidence that it is actually that specific clone - this is possible given that the Huachuca Mountains get pretty cold (though maybe not super wet) in winter. However, there are plenty of Agave parryi var. parryi specimens that look very much like the plant in question here. You have to have pretty specific location data to be sure it was Agave parryi var. huachucensis as I am pretty sure parryi var. parryi grades into parryi var. huachucensis. Just an 'oh it looks just like that observation' is not enough for a proper ID and given that PDN who marketed and named the clone simply list it as Agave parryi, it seems a stretch to add var huachucensis to it without further information.
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Nov 27, 2018 7:35 PM CST
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So the best solution would be to shorten the scientific part of the name of the "JC Raulston" entry to just Agave parryi, move the image there, and delete the second copy. Done.
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