@duane456 do you wintersow snapdragons in oregon? even though you and i are in similar zones the zone doesnt really account for the lack of spring that we have. The problem with winter sowing is that the plants grow slowly and in my climate our spring lasts five minutes then temps soar and its too hot for snapdragons. so if i give them an early start indoors maybe they can go out on march. Around here many people put them out in fall and they go dormant and survive winter then gear up and bloom whenever it warms off and on til it gets too hot in april/may. but in order to do that from seed id have to start in august and that just wasnt possible this past summer.